Critique/feedback has and always will be a major component of workshops, there is so much to learn, not just about critique but poetry and our own craft.

I have made bad mistakes by being overly harsh and cranky in my previous critique workshops and Beau's previous "Compliment Sandwich" and this one are teaching me better approaches.

I'd like to join in, Judy.

if it doesn't oppose with Stan's, I mean if it doesn't require a lot of poetry writing due to my limited time or I'd join another time if you advise

Thanks for your effort dear

All your efforts are appreciated in advance.

Thanks,

Ron

Blue Demon77

I'd like to join in. .....Did I say that right ? lol...........................stan

I may need some help on this workshop,
My mass has reached critical so I may erupt.
But if I can join your workshop it may put a cap on it?
If only we can divert the flow to sensibility and truth..
Yours Ian.T

I would love to be a part of one of your workshops however I am not business minded at all. I write from the heart not the mind you might have guessed. Maybe you could tell me more of what I'd have to do to be a part of it.

ThanX John

can it be any kind of poem or is it restricted to topic or style for the workshops.

John

tomorrow

We can't critique anything in the poem unless we got its theme either the one meant by the author or just understood by the reader.

If you write something, expect every aspect of it to be analysed.
If that hurts you, you must be prepared for it.

I say over and over again, once you post a poem it is no longer yours, it belongs to the reader, and they will interpret it as they will. (Unless, of course, they are bloody stupid, then we will call them on it!, teehee)

that theme is one main element or tool to be critiqued but not all the poems .It depends I think on the piece. Sometimes other tools may call you to talk about more than others, am I right? In yours for example" walking the boards" the theme attracted me , but the language grabbed me and together they played very well.

First things first. What on earth is omygodIgottapeea? lol (onomatopoeia).Then there's the aforementioned underlying meaning which must always be found. I'll be the first to say that often there IS no underlying theme, just the one which is obvious.

And there have been many times I've read a poem here which when I finished I said to myself "Self, what the heck was that all about.?" As often as not I'll ask the writer even though my doing so is an obvious assertion that the poem fails, at least for me. There IS such thing as being too obscure.

Now I agree that almost any poem has at least something good about it and such should be pointed out especially when there are strongly negative things to be said about said poem. A writer is much more likely to heed advice from a reader who doesn't restrict him/her self to only negative commentary..............stan

Onomatopoein = a word which when spoken aloud resembles the sound of what it represents

I inhale with a dismayed hiss
for having offended school mistress
by displaying lack of knowlege
that I should have learned in college

So now I must write a verse
which probably will be right terse
I strain my brain before starting
strain so much I wind up farting................................more examples :
gulp
hic-up
blow
screech
piss

I've had the opportunity to offer critiques both verbally and in writing to many different poets of many different levels of skill. It can be a very touchy subject with certain personality types and skill levels. I approach criticism with sensitivity but also don't lie. For me, I'd rather have someone not even bother to offer a critique than be overly complimentary. I critique from a place of respect personally and of love of poetry above all else. I also don't critique by placing myself, my style, my thought processes, etc. as the center of the poetic universe. I critique as the universal student, in fact I am a universal student of poetry. I don't forsee myself as ever reaching perfection. The journey and attempts are enough for me. I'm thankful for each and every poet and poem I'm lucky enough to experience. Looking at the process of critique this way keeps my ego largely out of the proceedings and assures that I'm not ever brutal. I would rather keep my mouth shut than discourage one new poet.

Ron

You know, in my opinion one of the most important elements of poetry is the ability of a writer to place the reader within the poem. Now this can be a hard thing to critique because one reader might well closely identify with a poem's content or intent while the same poem leaves another reader not only unaffected but even wondering what the heck the writer's talking about. So being aware of this should a reader let the wrier know he/she is untouched when it might be as much the reader's fault as the writer's?........................stan

Imagery

A small poem

I is so small
Don’t laugh I is not tall
I hear you laugh, it’s no joke
I just a little pig in a poke
The same stood up as laying down
If I should fall just look carefully around
I’ll be about half an inch off the ground
It is no fun at all
I is so small

Yenti

A simile is a figure of speech that directly compares two different things, usually by employing the words "like" or "as”.
Unlike a metaphor, a simile can be as precise as the user needs it to be, to explicitly predicate a single feature of a target or to vaguely predicate an under-determined and open-ended body of features.
Empirical research supports the observation that similes are more likely to be used with explicit explanations of their intended meaning;
This offers some support to the claim that similes are preferred if a user wants to associate an unusual or out-of-the-ordinary property with a target

Personification is giving human traits (qualities, feelings, action, or characteristics) to non-living objects (things, colors, qualities, or ideas).

For example: The window winked at me. The verb, wink, is a human action. A window is a non-living object 

The poem I'm about to submit will contain 4 poetic devices :
Illiteration - the close repetition od similar vowell or consonant sounds
Imagery - detailed description which help the reader enter the poem
Metaphor - comparison of dissimilar items
Form punctuation - using the actual form of a poem to emphasize the story line (in this instance I used morhing poetry to accentuate the changes the protagonist is going through, from orderly structured rhyme to extreme free verse)
Please keep in mind how long my poems Usually are when compared to this one lol...............stan

Assonance: is the repetition of vowel sounds in nearby words. It is used to reinforce the meanings of words or to set the mood.

e.g:"If I bleat when I speak it's because I just got . . . fleeced." - "Deadwood" by Al Swearengen 

Cliché's

Love On The Wing
Got a story to tell you
You had better believe it
I am going to, spill the beans.

On the mating of Termites
The flying one’s take off
In sultry Summer’s sun, singing,
To everything there is a season.

I think more of a reason,
As they lift off to, go with the flow
Once they are mated and sated
Down they come losing their wings

Crawling helpless on the ground
They have eaten half my house
With their nasty habits
Worse than Australian rabbits

So I'll knock their lights out

Written for cliché workshop a while back when I won the cup, well I have the cup so there, Yours Ian.T
PS:- Most of the things you mention I never think of when writing, I just write a piece and that's it, I use a dictionary first for all those words or just Google them LOL

but I'd like to do extended metaphor. It is very much the same as a metaphor used in poetry, only the metaphor is stretched for many lines, covering many aspects of any similarity. Usually, the extended metaphor is used throughout the poem.

Far from it lmao. I'll use these 3 which haven't been used yet :
Allegory - telling a story which has an underlying story in addition to the main one
Onomatopeia - words which when spoken sound like the word they represent
Aubade - a poem in which a lover decries the end of a night spent with their lover
Caesura - an extended pause for effect in the middle of a line
poem is titled
Reason for Haste"

I really enjoyed reading and giving it an extra thought. Hope I did it its justice.

http://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/positive-critique-workshop-poem-1#...

Rula's poem.

http://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/imagerypersonification-positive-cr...

this workshop has some excellent work

I don't know about links but I finally found time to do a more in depth critique on William St. George's "Lion In The Cage" which one which packs a lot into a few words................stan

http://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/imagery-simile-or-metaphor-critiqu...

I'm going outside the box and critique my own shop poem "TOO LATE"...............stan

Rula's poem:

http://www.neopoet.com/comment/74566#comment-74566

I'd like to show my real gratitude to my dear friend judyanne for this successful workshop
What I liked most?
I liked how all the ex. were well organized and the directions were all clear.
I liked how she spotted the light on the important tools we should look for whenever we intend to give a positive critique.
I also liked how Judy and Kelsey worked as a real team to make this a success .

One little thing annoyed me really :that only few continued the work shop though the ex. were all adequate but this has nothing to do with the workshop leaders

Again many thanks Beau and Juddyanne.:)

... about not having a computer (and thereby missing in action) is knowing there are things I may have learned that will likely remain beyond my horizon now. I have not been able to catch up with much yet here at my favorite website, but I did investigate this particular thread. Some very good ideas were presented. Judyanne, you mentioned quite a while back that you were concerned with being able to offer anything positive and tangible in a workshop (but that you would try). I suspect you may lay that worry to rest. I know Jess is pleased with you and so am I.
And Kelsey, you're obviously ready to tackle something with more meat... the American Congress perhaps?
wesley

Odyssey,
http://www.neopoet.com/comment/75040#comment-75040

Neopoet V1.0 was the wild west, often highly abusive, but also encouraged fearless poetry.
Neopoetry V1.1 was the "Sewing Circle", the dark ages when it was not ok to be anything but nice and Conservative.
You have helped establish Neopoet V2.0 A brave site that is both kind and progressive, I salute you.