'Tis a problem if it is a problem, mais oui? How does Neopoet work, really? Can it *pander* to everyone's needs
by following rules and are rules meant to be broken: never, sometimes, always on a poetry site?

What DOES originality mean if one doesn't *follow the rules*?

I understand we all piss off the pope sometimes.

~Anna

pander...

from dictionary.com

#2 "a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others"

We have rarely see I to I, Chris, but I know you speak for some, if not all. I too have had the same *annoyances*. However, it does a body good to get over these petty annoyances. There's much worse
things in life to deal with, given the state of the world's affairs. Very few people play by the same set of
rules....love....above all else.

~A

I beg to differ with you, Chris. We can and do change the world with how we view it, perceive it and interact with it.
You just have to envision a bigger world than that of Neopoet.

If you get a chance, watch a flick called *I Am*.

Here's a taste. http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/movies/i-am-by-the-director-tom-sha...

And a Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYtfnONazTU

Really, when you face your own death, Chrys.I mean really face it.... life becomes much more significant, and one is less preoccupied with the little things in life. Do you really think that posting more than one poem or answering posts in poems are more than farts in the desert wind?

But then neither one of us can tell something to someone they don't want to know. You be well also, Chrys. I sense you are not.

~A

all comments are
or maybe read
but not commented upon by others .

so when you or one comes across
a poetic rendition
simply do and move on

All may only read and exclaim wow!
That's all.

They made the rule for me .
I try to follow and spare ones,
I post elsewhere for my ego's satisfaction
and that reduces my stress .
Do try please.
And
just wait and see
how I convert this comment t
into explicit poetry.

There is however a technical difficulty with enforcing the 'one-a-day' rule when workshop participation sometimes requires more than that. A way may be found in the future.

Members need to understand and be reminded that Neopoet is not an ego showcase, it is a poetry workshop, and anyone posting more frequently is clearly not workshopping. It's a case of education over enforcement.

I've talked to members about writing poetic feedback then re-posting the same thing as a poem and by and large they have desisted from the practice.

Actually ideologically I prefer education over enforcement. I am not very prolific at all and if I do happen to come up with 2 poems in one day, I get so excited I tend to post them both. And it's to my detriment even then. Both poems don't receive as much critical attention as they would if posted separately.

As a historical background, most members who stay and engage in the Neopoet culture will tend to self-restrain their posting in order to gain the full benefits of critique. However new members get all excited and want to post their entire backlist. Someone once flooded the Stream with over 50 poems! That was when the rule was first enforced. Since now it is technically difficult to enforce it a gentle reminder to over-posters of the consequences should be sufficient.

When site first came back on line I took a while to realize that the hard block preventing posting more than 1 poem per day had changed to a soft warning. In a way this was good. No more creeping of posting time which eventually moved time to wee hours. I was hopeful that people would not abuse this soft block and be willing to wait at least 20 or so hours between posts. but this is not what happened. So in response to the increasing occurances of folks posting more than one poem per day and often within minutes of each, the 23 hour hard block has been reinstated.Now I am hopeful that everybody will not use blogs and/or comments to bypass this. For it would be regrettable to have to put some type rules and/or hard block in place to prevent this also. So as usual it is up to the members whether they will be willing to govern themselves or be governed. I much prefer we govern ourselves as it results in less work for me lol.....................stan

As it is my brain has drained ...
hahahhaaaaaaaaaaa
happy all folks
but I
HAVE NEVER POSTED DOZENS
WISH I could ..
meaning was capable of doing so.

nothing like a cut to the paste
or chaste

I remember Neopoet of auld
when it was small and people were shyer
and posted three or more per day
Impossible to slog through at times
and then a wasteland of nothing

Now of course people rush in when
excited and post a wads worth
(Not Woodsworth)

of course other then
a chastisement
or members writing like this
theres not really much one can
do

I post one per day
and I write poetic comments
pertaining to someones works
or my own notations on my own
to throw light on the subject
They are not Secondary Poems
nor original repostings
and I shall continue
this practise

But it is just bad practise to flood
the site
b ut thats human

Im glad someone notices
if it gets too bad we will have to start
our own site that has members only
and a big fat subscription
with tons of apps to automatically
slap people in the tush when they
do a no no

ha h aha
Enjoying poetry one poet at a time..

UNIQUETY

You and I are as unique
as the sun and moon
both shine in their own hemisphere
one at a time not together
so let’s continue to compose
and
let the rule makers ..
to the garbage bin of time continue to dispose

Oh! what a loss of talent
YOURS
and
you may like to add -on
MINE

people will not be able to post more than one in 23 hours as a hard block will soon be in place preventing member from posting more than one a day/

lou

Ego much !!! ??

LMAO

The hard block is now in place, and just to be clear, it had
nothing to do with this blog, we had already decided to implement
because every day someone was over extending the soft block.

thank you

Richard AEC Chair

I assume this will not interfere if workshops require more than one posting a day?

Well, with the 24-hr rule now being *enforced*, I can only guess how much better the poets who post their poems are going to get over *time* spent at Neopoet, especially the ones who have been here for a few years.

Time will tell, eh? I wonder if anyone ever *graduates* from Neopoet and does the AEC hand-out diplomas and t-shirts? Answer that question and I'll tell you why Neopoet is such a *comfort zone* for those who insist on keeping the status quo in their own little sandboxes.

Finally, what does a poetry site with 2000 poets posting poems every day have in common with Neopoet's now
streamlined stream? Think about that one before your usual and customary answer.

~A

Jess. Special? The air went out of my balloon a long time ago. It's just that I know what it took to get to the point where poetry is a way of life and not an extension of one's own safety zone. Will all poets be great poets like Plath and Eliot, Rumi and Bukowski, Lorca and Sexton as well as the long line of poet laureates of one's own country? Do Neopoets even think they're (the aforementioned) great poets?

Not for me to answer.

~A

My point.

When's the last time a poem received 33 comments? Only when it was controversial.

And there it is.

~A

Halleluyah! Were that all of the world's problems could be solved by Neopoet's Technical Department, eh?

It's always interesting to me to see where we are on the continuum of our focus.

I'll be carefully watching for all the *improvement* of poetry on Neopoet from having *fixed* this egregious problem.

~A

Chrys,

You are right. The hard block should be back in enforcement soon.

always, Cat

The greats!
they wrote mass amounts in their time
perfecting their works
and recieving scathing critisizm
Sexton was troubled but beautifully gifted
and committed suicide with a note
from a critic that haunted her to her
grave in her pocket...She was then at
her largest sucess and probably the
stacks of those giving her credits to
her works for affecting them and effecting
them remained where they were

Before Internet I gathered with no poets
and posting was done as how many poems
one could create from the old vintage
typewriters and how long one stayed sober
and awake Or to chase interests like
women and song

Sexton posted to as many magazines she
could to not only share her works but to
accumulate wealth for supplementing
her family and husband She recieved
years of rejections!! imagine posting
on neopoet for three years and getting
NO THANK YOU response but she kept
at it and eventually was accepted by the
influential magazines of her days

I think of other poets who did not post
or mail or share their works and in death
when they went through personal effects
did they find the volumes of works and then
publish posthumously some very famous
works everyone is probably aware of today
(a female poet from long ago)

I used to play cards and for those that do
play cards (not everyone dooes)
imagine trying to play a game with the players
suddenly throwing down three of their hand
because they feel that will get the most
from the moment.. get three out of five
doing that and you have no game anymore
no purpose to the methodical and tried and
true approach

I like that Neopoet waits for a time
cululatively collects feedback and data
and as a group puts in place a system
that best protects the ideal of Neopoet
Maybe Babygates are a good idea
Maybe keeping Fido on a leash
works in a busy street application

Im very happy for knowing that the
land of techies there is something so
magical that can just keep people
to posting one per day
Like playing cards one card at a time
one must exerdise self judgement
and care in deciding what will be
the most presentable poem for
crituqe and feedback

thats why I love Neopoet
one can just post or one can
ask to be voted in and work
to help run the site

in some business's like art co ops
one must serve for a time i the
business of making it run to belong
Like the Draft
here its volunteers

I think if this went totally commercial
it would be great A lot of good poets
would get their work very polished
it would be very costly
it may lose some of the magic
like maybe all

I have been here for years
I would like to be here for a long while
yet
I think that this system runs very
effeciently and smartly
and Ive worked for many in my time

Thank You Neopoet People

And maybe, just maybe Neopoet's heyday has come and gone.There's little life left here, little energy. It's as if a few poets have sucked all the energy and excitement and left a bland, homogenized poetry site whose biggest concern is not producing better poets, but poets who toe the line. I don't think Andrew or Paul had that in mind when they turned over the site to the *people*.

I hope I'm wrong and it's a phase I'm going through. I'll shut up now.

~A