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On Feminism

In an age of automobiles
we don't need
stallions to pull us
anymore
but we do need
horsepower

we don't have to
row with our arms
but engine powered boats
still need captains

a him or her
to call the shots
take the controls
go down with the ship

there will always
be the same
enemies

and not all men
have been enemies
to women

and not all women
by taking control
have been doing it
to spite men

broken homes
come from broken people
and we are all broken

though we may
become more whole
together

giving and taking

become more than
just beautiful

like a male cardinal
building a nest

or a female cat
in a black and white
designer
suit

Review Request (Intensity): 
I appreciate moderate constructive criticism
Review Request (Direction): 
What did you think of my title?
How was my language use?
What did you think of the rhythm or pattern or pacing?
How does this theme appeal to you?
How was the beginning/ending of the poem?
Is the internal logic consistent?
Last few words: 
A little meditation on feminism, dealing with only some of the issues it brings up. I'm interested in your opinion on how I dealt with the subject as well as the use of language. Thanks!
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your language use is good while you dwell on a hot topic in the present context of a male dominated society....personally i feel gender distinction should not deprive women of opportunities...in your poem I get a feeling that you are sitting on the fence on this contentious issue as many are so I don't blame you...i liked the lines...

or a female cat
in a black and white
designer
suit

:)
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raj (sublime_ocean)

thanks raj. appreciate your thoughts.

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as sitting on the fence, so much as not being sure that it is a battle won.
I agree, that as we need less physical strength, women should and will take jobs that don't require the physical effort they used to. ~ Geezer.
.

There is value to commenting and critique, tell us how you feel about our work.
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thanks for your reading, geezer. yeah, we live in a different world. but I think women have been doing strong and great stuff, since the beginning of time. I realized after writing that it might seem like I'm saying only now, in the modern age, should women get that same chance and same respect.

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i am having trouble understanding the internal logic of the poem...going from technological advances in the modern age, the battle of the sexes (enemies), that "we all are broken" (a very bold comment that needs some additional images- how, why), then the idea of enemies, as are the bird and cat (tweety and sylvester etc) Just not catching the poem.
I wrote one about feminism called "confessions of a philogynist 2018" i would love you to look up in my poems...are we saying the same things?
You will always get me being perfectly honest when I'm missing a poem. Sometimes it's my bad, I just wasn't able to make the connection, sometimes the poem. Help me a bit with the thought process you had in constructing the poem. Thanks!!

Eumolpus
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing
than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance
ee cummings

Mark, thanks for your comments and I appreciate hearing when someone doesn't get a poem. Truthfully, I want people to get what I intended, but I'm happy as well when people might read into it something of their own. (I read your poem, "confessions..." and enjoyed it, and the comments following. I don't think it's similar, though.) to explain the poem, it starts out like you said with the equaling of the playing field (physically in particular) due to technological advancements. we don't need stallions (male horses) because we have cars, we don't need men to row the ship, because we have engines. but we do need power (horsepower) and we do need leaders (captains). most of the poem is a response to "traditional" expectations of women and men. that women need men to be complete (they don't), that women can't be leaders (they can!), that homes are broken when women don't submit to men or men don't take proper control (both can take control and both can mess up. we're all broken in some way at some time). the comments on becoming "more than just beautiful" is dealing with another hot button topic, that women just want to be wanted, considered attractive, beautiful enough to be fought for. but women want purpose as much as men (like the cat in a suit, which women wear now, too: pantsuits, etc) and to be valiant fighters, themselves. and men, too, are concerned with beauty (like the cardinal, which in nature, the male is usual the attractive one, not the female). and the cardinal "building a nest" is a play on the idea of males taking the domestic duties. ultimately, "we may become more whole together, giving and taking," is my point. egalitarianism. I am a spiritual person, a Christian, struggling with a lot of the "core beliefs" or at least Evangelical or Pentecostal beliefs. but I tend not to think that there is an order to the sexes, that a dominant submissive dynamic is necessary. but that we are help meets. equals. this was my way of investigating the subject on my own. we live in a world where there are many enemies to equality, or progress, or whatever you want to call it. but like the poem says, men have not always been trying to put women down, even by championing traditional roles, nor have women always been doing things out of spite. though of course, and unfortunately, men HAVE been abusive and women HAVE been vindictive or whatever you want to call it. does all of that help you to see the poem and the internal logic better? obviously my goal would be to get that across in my writing. do you have any advice how I could improve this to make it make more sense as something that stands alone? thanks again for your interest.

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really for spending the time to explain things, it takes time to write what you did. Me, I'm retired now-
I read, write, play music, buy a container of milk, travel a bit. The world is moving very slowly...no rush!

First I'm glad you can explain the intent of the poem...not the meaning, intent. Not every poet here can, and some are insulted if you ask. If a poet doesn't know his intent, how can anyone else? The "meaning" is the inferences, and the jumps into the imagination.

I think then the issue with this poem, and a common one among us poets, is over assuming a reader will get what might be called a "stretch" ..that requires a few different association to be made to grasp the intent behind an image or metaphor. As a reader I just would not read into the connection between stallions or rowing on a ship immediately with the idea of masculinity, the the omnipresence of maleness in these activities..I'm too drawn into the image itself, not the inference. It's true stallions are male but I'm a city boy and a horse is a horse... nor the idea of the male cardinal being the pretty one, or female cat in a black and white suit, so I thought of Sylvester.
It's hard to put yourself in the eyes of the abstract reader, but very often in workshops what seemed to me a very obvious connection of an image in a poem, nobody understands. I think that's the nature of our learning curves, to find the images that fit without being obvious or simplistic.
I do not sense any religious reference here, but as this is a struggle in your life I definitely would explore that relationship to feminism...with all our best intentions, political correctness, this issue is surely redefining itself.

Lastly in a last read I keep on getting stuck on "we are all broken." That's a big pitch, it needs some clarifying. That is a whole poem, or many. Perhaps an epic!

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Eumolpus
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing
than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance
ee cummings

thanks for your comments, mark. for helping me see how my poem reads, so that i can think beyond my own writing, my own imaginations. i think that's one of the struggles of many poets: how to communicate meaning and remain fresh still. how to "stretch," but not too far. i will take this advice into account as i continue to write. do some poets just not care if the reader makes all of the connections? does that make it a bad poem in your book? we definitely all write within a context that not everyone can see. part of my growth as a poet has been the positive feedback of a few close friends who have some of the same life-vocabulary or life-metaphors, like "brokenness." this is not an excuse to write however i want, though, and that's why your feedback is so priceless. once again, thank you so much for your feedback! and so happy for your retirement! i hope you are enjoying it thoroughly.

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