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Deceit (Serve A Poet WS)

Each breath does now stink
fouled by your dubious lips
which had lured me into a kiss
now makes my heart sink

Gone are those milky ways
now blurred in my misty gaze
hope too has sunk to the bottom
of a well I now can't fathom

I piss off your poisoned potion
curdling knots in my bloody veins
in the muddied mess I now stomp
on the mirage of your lovely face

Your shadow follows me no more
now freed of your dubious love
as I tread on a road less traveled
my breath now rid of your foul

Style / type: 
Free verse
Review Request (Intensity): 
I want the raw truth, feel free to knock me on my back
Last few words: 
I would like help in making this poem more intense to express deceit
Editing stage: 
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Comments

There are too many cliché's in this work I found around six or seven so there is a great amount of new words to find for this piece, I shall wait to see what others say,
Yours Ian.T

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There are a million reasons to believe in yourself,
So find more reasons to believe in others..

Thanks for stopping by and your critique. I shall work on it...

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

It could be taken as a whining poem about deceit but the poetry is too good.

":Luck sans milky ways" Says so much! The galaxy itself without fortune.

There is unfortunately a fair bit of cliche inbetween but that last line
"to silence the bugging owls" is fucking brilliant! Evocative, without a definitive meaning, yet so clear in intent.
I believe you have made a courageous and largely successful attempt at a topic so well-worn it could only expect failure, yet you have succeeded.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Thank you for the visit and your largely positive comment. Yes, as also pointed out by Ian, I have taken note of the fact that there is a need to do away with the cliche. I will wait for more critique from other participants and then do the edit...

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

Sorry Raj, it was inappropriate and entirely outside the spirit of the workshop.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

I think this comment might not be in keeping with this shop's intent. Isn't this shop devoted to using critique in order to Improve a poem. Not to write a poem then discard it and start over with a new write?.......stan

Entirely my bad.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

luck sans milky ways, there if placed in that line will mark a great expression in the poem for both its metaphor and uniqueness, to avoid some stereotype cliche as Ian said,

Thanks for your time, read and the comment. I will be looking at various suggestions before I edit this even further..

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

Well I read your request and took others'remarks into consideration then decided my usual stanza and line number response wouldn't work this time. So I instead came up with a version which is heavily edited. But not in order to rewrite your poem but, rather, to show that You could easily rework this in order to intensify it and decrease the cliche.

Not all silence is treasured
as is proven on this night.
My urge was on a hot trot
thoughts outrunning the speed of light (damn! I didn't mean to rhyme )

Luck sans milky ways.
despair deeper than unseen black hole,
hopes returning like a stubborn rash
unmindful that Love shuns the scratch.

You'd fallen back into my life
erasing memories of past pain
and having been too long a lone flier
I gave in to your game.

"Love" though was of short life span
you deceived me like a cold chameleon.
Now I curse you in dark solitude
shouting to silence heckling owls

You are free to use any or none of this but I hope it might reveal a few ideas that you find useful.......stan
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Many thanks for the time you have taken to make positive suggestions. I appreciate the same and would give serious consideration to the same.

I have in fact agreed that I do need to work on getting rid of the cliche and that I would do it after getting more critique and comments.

Once again I appreciate your gesture in making suggestions.

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

The way a term becomes cliche is by saying something very well. Hence using one on occasion is OK but make sure it is used extremely well........stan

I have done a major edit to the poem with an intent to rid it of Cliche. revised version. I have attempted to get out of my comfort zone while making an attempt at dark poetry. . Will therefore appreciate your critigue even about my attempt to make this dark.

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

A great improvement this time around, just a small thing, the last two lines seemed to leave the whole thing unfinished:-

as I tread on a road less travelled
my breath now rid of your foul.
Otherwise the poem has taken shape, look up cliché's on the web it will give you a good guide to the format of such things.
Go well young man, Yours Ian.T

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There are a million reasons to believe in yourself,
So find more reasons to believe in others..

Thanks for the re-read. From your comment it appears that there are still some cliche in th write. Please point them out so that I can work on getting rid of them too. Thanks for your comment about the concluding two lines. Let me see if I can change it..

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

My comment on cliché's was that there are sites on www that you can look at them, where it will give you a better idea as to what we are saying about them and why they should be avoided.
Your edit to the poem was top line and as you can see Jess has given it top praise, as I think I did, lol.
Take care will see you later, Yours Ian.T

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There are a million reasons to believe in yourself,
So find more reasons to believe in others..

Thank you for stepping in here again and your comment. I will certainly visit the site recommended by you and will make a conscious attempt to avoid cliche in my writes..

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

http://clichesite.com/alpha_list.asp?which=lett+1
This site gives a massive list of cliché's it is fun to read we had a workshop run by Jess that touched on the subject a while back..
Take care, yours Ian.T

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There are a million reasons to believe in yourself,
So find more reasons to believe in others..

you have really taken the bull by the horns.

This is a serious, major re-write, which I wholly appreciate is a courageous and difficult thing to do. You have succeeded entirely. The poem now resounds with honesty, whether it is fiction or not has become entirely irrelevant. Seldom, if ever, have I seen a poem so completely transformed.

This is not a pleasant, happy, fun poem yet it has redemption. Through the cathartic release of pain and bitterness I feel that the poet has been transformed and can start, through the the pain, to live again.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

No need for an apology. Thanks for the re-read and appreciating my attempt. In fact i didn't just edit it but actually revamped the whole write. Good to know that it has come out better....

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

The title "Deceit" tells of us how you feel. The poem, however, does not include how or why you were deceived (or perhaps just why you felt that way).

I have a hard time with the repetition of words close together. Now is used twice in the first stanza.

There is rhyme and then there is not rhyme (two separate rhyme schemes at that). My suggestion is to pick and stay with one or the other.

S2, L1 "those milky ways" I feel like I am suppose to know what "those" are, but nothing leads me to them.

Although I feel like I know what you were trying to say in S3, I was lost on the logic.

S4 was just cliche to me. Nor did it encapsulate and wrap up the poem. There seems like a lot of work still to be done here.

Thanks,

Scott

Scott

once again that I am late and the poem has already been revised. Please keep in mind when you are reading my previous post.

Thanks,

Scott

Scott

just abandoned."
Don't sweat it man, I bet you can still find something to critique. In fact I challenge you to.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

I left a rather lengthy critique. Just noting that my critique was not based on the original version so alleviate any confusion.

Scott

Scott

Thanks for the visit and your detailed critic. As fr the rhyme, it was not a conscious effort to use rhyme, rather a happenstance. Noted your observations about repetitive use of "now". I accept that and will work on it and some of your other comments to the best possible extent....

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

I must say that you have done the edit it very well but I do agree that you did not reveal the act of deceit itself.

Alid

in making this poem one of the best transformed of the whole workshop! I applaud your efforts!
I really liked the last line, while it shows the utter repulsion for the lover; it also leaves the reader to add the last word as to what that last word might be. I like that! ~ Gee

There is value to commenting and critique, tell us how you feel about our work.
This must be the place, 'cause there ain't no place like this place anywhere near this place.

Thank you Geezer for your visit and comment. You are right about the last line.

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

but the last line appears wanting... maybe just to me..ONLY///.

my breath now rid of your foul......????!!!

also poetry
emanating from the poets of ur standing
words like piss shit etc other 4 letter words
appear demeaning
I wonder if it ever crosses your mind
raj_ sublime
be so as you rhyme

you dared critique!
and quite right too, it should be foulness.

Expletives however are part of our language and a fucking important part of certain expression [grins]

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

master ......
where are you hiding
behind many an invisible screen
many of my good poetry
has gone unseen

calcium in my brain causing seizures that have caused head injuries and broken ribs. I might not be around for much longer but I will give you shit when I can [grins]

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

but don't worry
doc s don't say
but longer*
you still may
stay

Ii know a very recent case
where urea went in ones brain
he was given fifteen MORE minutes
but its three months since
HE LIVES !

you will survive the onslaught
if you alone have the will
docs will watch over you silently still
medicate and meditate
be happy I passed your way

you are perhaps just 54

20 years ago
a doc told me
on the prostate table i will be
within six weeks...
OR LESS

he forget to mention
twas not me
but he!

so be it !

They also r like us
simple
innocent
human beings

I have probably given you more shit that anyone on Neopoet (except Mona the Whale, but she was not a poet, she was a retarded socialite).
Yet you accept my crit with grace and I am grateful and honoured if I have helped at all.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

but i tried to guide her then
that u were helping her
but then u know
what u say she was

if you pm your dob and time of birth and day
i would love to take ur case up
as my study of the human mind

that's what a scientist is meant for
poetry is only a hobby
some like it some abhor
but a born poet
still I am for sure.

and you SIR JESS
I ADORE
Tis like
TO SIR WITH LOVE.

no less no more...

sorry

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Thanks for your comment. Jess's comment above would explain why I thought of using those expletives.

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

i use a mouth wash daily !

"road less traveled" That's a catchy phrase and I expect it might just catch on in time lol. If you want some alternatives "
road less worn
a fainter path
dimmer trail
near unmarked way
just some thoughts.........stan

Thanks for your visit and suggestions. I will give them a thought.

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

FROST
I do too

so you will likely be surprised to see an old one pop up. I do that sometimes; look for dusty poems. It's amazing what you can find. It's like rooting through an attic. Boxes of Aunt Matilda's junk, some old sports gear, a really lovely piece of art, a painting.
A dark and frightening painting that rather sucks you into the despair felt by the subject. A graphic painting using very modern themes (rude images), it yet follows a classical structure within a competent range. Recognizable.
The whole work is comprised of many scenes and yet throughout they create a cohesive whole. One picture of many pictures.
It's probably a long, lost work by a great Master hidden up here for a hundred years.
I take pictures of these sort of things and put them on my computer, so I see them again some years later.

W. H. Snow

A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

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You are right. I was definitely surprised to see this poem re-appear in stream. I really liked the way you compared pulling this out like one does from the attic or basement from time to time. However, i douldn't find your cririque in there or have I missed your mute point?

Thanks for your time to visit this page even though it was posted nearly 5 months back.

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

author comment

I have this problem with my own poetry. Sometimes it's nice and healthy to just... read. Don't listen to the meter, don't hear the rhyme, don't concern yourself with line breaks, assonance, consonance, proposition, recapitulation........

Sometimes it's nice to just come and read...
and not even comment.

If you missed my critique you didn't read very carefully nor think rather poetically. I told a very simple story with much portent.

Sometimes it is not the poet that is being judged, but the reader.

W. H. Snow

A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

Learn how, teach others.
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Ok.As long as you enjoyed the read it would mean a lot to me....

Regards,

raj (sublime_ocean)

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I do.

W. H. Snow

A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

Learn how, teach others.
The NeoPoet Mentor Program
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