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Community discussion - AC proposal: The Lab (Dec/Jan 2018-19)

This is the discussion thread for the recent proposal by the AC (https://www.neopoet.com/community/news/proposal-lab). This replaces the previous version of this thread (essentially unchanged), which is available for comparison at: https://www.neopoet.com/forum/23682

“The Lab”

This is proposal to create a different and unique workshop called "the Lab".  Poems posted in the Lab will also appear on the Stream, but with special status.  They will be by poets who have offered thoughtful comments to submissions in the Lab  (praise, critical reviews, suggestions etc). The goal is to encourage responses, which is the best reward and feedback all of us poets can receive from an online workshop.  The lab is open to all.  Here's how it works:

Details:

About “The Lab”

  • Poems in The Lab would still go to the stream and would act like any other poem. Neopoet would try to make poems in The Lab especially visible however - this may take the form of color coding, a badge, a special front page block that shows several recent submissions to The Lab, etc.

Submitting to “The Lab”

  • In exchange for 3 “credits” a member can submit to “The Lab” – to be detailed later in this proposal
  • Submissions to The Lab will only be allowed every few days (initially once per 5 days; threshold can be changed by a vote of the AC).
    • The existing 1 (non workshop) poem per 23 hours limit will be unchanged – for a submission to The Lab, essentially the more restrictive of the two would apply. For example, after posting a poem to The Stream, one could post to The Lab a day later. A day after that, one wouldn’t be able to post to the Lab again, however one could still submit a second poem to The Stream.
  • There will be a checkbox in the current "submit poem" page that will opt a poem into "The Lab" (near the options for contests, workshops, co-author)

“Credits”

  • When members post comments (on any poem – including poems in The Stream or in specific workshop), they get 1 credit per comment/critique
    • Exceptions:
      • Posting a comment on your own poem
      • In addition, the AC may vote internally on new conditions from time to time, such as a word count limit
  • Over time, the AC will define the qualitative and quantitative (such as word count) eligibility for a credit - initially the bar will be set fairly low (i.e. all substantial comments are eligible)
    • In cases of specific and repeated abuse, the AC can restrict a member's eligibility to submit to The Lab, either temporarily or permanently
  • In time [this may not be part of the initial implementation due to the complexity] Advocates (and the submitter for a particular comment) can see if a comment has earned a credit. Advocates can "downvote" a comment if it is deemed not eligible according to qualitative criteria set by the AC - a certain number of downvotes will cause that comment to lose eligibility (and the owner to lose a credit)
  • Each existing member starts with a blank slate: zero credits. Comments start accruing credits when the proposal is implemented
  • Each new member starts with a number of credits to be determined by the AC - initially, as an experiment, we will test 3 credits, and will then test zero credits, to see how this affects new member retention

Example timeline: https://www.neopoet.com/sites/default/files/faq/TheLab-TheStream-Timelin...

love to try it!

Eumolpus
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing
than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance
ee cummings

Run it in BETA so all involved members can 'check it out' and have an area to leave comments such as tweaks needed or bugs found or fix possibilities. Determine an amount of time in BETA mode before running it GOLD.

and,
that's how I see it.

Mark L.

Noted. Irrespective of The Lab becoming a reality or not....shall continue to post and comment in Stream ....it gives me a feeling that The Lab is an exclusive Club meant for the proficient members...
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raj (sublime_ocean)

Whatever version...alpha, beta. gamma, theta....I hope amateurs like me at least get to read the poems of the more prolific and competent members who get to post their poems in The Lab ...which would serve for me a learning lesson....
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raj (sublime_ocean)

After all, that's where it really happens,

and,
that's how I see it.

Mark L.

Very good communication you got here loving the way you put t forth.

Mario Vitale

For those aspiring writers who are beginning to get into the craft and life of poetry there will be the One A Day submission for the stream, and those fresh on site with some experience the opportunity to earn the way into the Lab. For those who look for the ultimate challenge there will be maintaining and/or entering the Lab which could be the Neo version of an Ivory Tower. Either way there would be challenge for all levels of skill and talent. It's the best base ever, anywhere, as everyone has opportunity.
Later,

and,
that's how I see it.

Mark L.

Well...we will wait and see...as is said "proof is in the eating of the pudding"....

best wishes to the team who are working hard at it..
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raj (sublime_ocean)

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