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An unrhymed piece in trochaic tetrameter

A unrhymed poem in trochee.

Nonsense is the answer, poet.
Incongruity in poesy
hides a lack of innate talent.
Nonce words need no vindication,
whimsy never wants but fancy.
Cognizance is over rated.
Since the reader does not “get” it,
why should we write subtle verses?
Dr. Geisel understood it,
Dodgson wrote to feign dementia.
Audiences thought ‘twas genius.
Why, oh why, should I make sense then?
There is only one good reason-
“I” would like to read my poesy.

Style / type: 
Structured: Western
Review Request (Intensity): 
I want the raw truth, feel free to knock me on my back
Review Request (Direction): 
What did you think of my title?
How was my language use?
What did you think of the rhythm or pattern or pacing?
How does this theme appeal to you?
How was the beginning/ending of the poem?
Is the internal logic consistent?
Last few words: 
Have at guys, I'll be back tomorrow (Tuesday) to start leaning on everyone else. wesley
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Comments

to me there is a point here that clearly seen, that you know how to do this and your poking fun it us less unstanding stooges. so to me this is well done dribble. Hahaha!
the truth is it doesn't help me one bit. fun, fun, fun is all it is.
Great job, I do get what your doing and I bow to you.

now explain how the trochaic tetrameter. so a dummy like me can understand.
thanks, Eddie
(Do not take it as an attack, because it's not.)
....

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

Wesley used the more advanced second exercise. He is having fun, not poking fun.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
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First Eddie, trochee (as will be discussed a billion times before we are done) is an unaccented syllable followed by an accented syllable. After that it gets to be a pain.
Mark, you saw three different meters in the poem and the problem is that it COULD be scanned as such. It's almost impossible to write a poem that cannot be scanned multiple ways. Trochee is difficult for me as I don't commonly use it (that's going to change). One of the problems we face are words that can be scanned easily as a "spondee" which is two unaccented syllables. There are very few times when a spondee occurs legitimately, but oodles of opportunities for "sort of" spondees. Generally when two syllables sit next to each other without a clear cut accent on one or the other, different reader will accent different ways.
For example, in my first line- "poet". This word is pretty much always accented on the first syllable in English, but it's a rather noncommittal accenting. At the end of a line as I used it, the word is trochee without exception, but stick it in the middle of a line and some readers will see it differently (as a spondee perhaps). This then screws with the meter following. I'm betting Mark, that you saw "incongruity" as an iamb followed by an anapest. I wrote it as trochee using the word's strict accent structure, but you're absolutely correct that it could be (and probably should be) scanned in the previous fashion. Speaking the word quickly and naturally will lead to iamb/anapest.
But back to the first line. I find that two small words together ("is the") tend to lend themselves to a spondee which is how you scanned it anapestic.
Absolutely correct. That would then leave the iamb with a catalectic foot. The only other point I can make (and this isn't mine, but a perspective I read elsewhere) is that when we read a poetic line the first two syllables will give to us a rhythm that should be maintained unless we are forced to pronounce something incorrectly to maintain it. So if my first two syllables set a pace that causes me to pronounce "correct" on the first syllable (which I feel is incorrect) we are then forced to either scan it differently or decide the poet doesn't know jack.
Eddie, don't worry about the attack thing. I can't be insulted. And tetrameter means that I have four trochees in each line. That is IF one can scan this as trochee. As I said, this is tough for me and needs practice. I'm going to try to mess with this poem and make it clearly trochee.
wesley

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lines between paragraphs please, I know many won't read this right through.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

(Non stressed) (sense unstressed) ( is stressed) (the unstressed) (an stressed)(swer unstressed), (po stressed)(et. nonstressed)
(In stressed)(con non stressed)(gru stressed) (ity non stressed) (in non stressed) (po stressed)(esy non stressed)
is how I read it. Am I even close?

Confused in Wisconsin (but reading), Cat

ps

How do make bold the stressed words in my reply?

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I have read the comments of Ed and Mark, and I suppose they are right, but for me, your meter is spot on. It flows very very smoothly, and gives great impact to the meaning.
The only thing I could find wrong is "over-rated".
Good stuff. I had never thought of trochaic tetrameter, until now. I mean I've seen and enjoyed it, but never gave thought to what it is!
Learning, learning.

Respectfully, Race

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I think Mark and Eddie's comments are valid though. Like I said, it's nigh impossible to write something that can't be scanned multiple ways. I never use trochaic meter, so for me to do this I had to over accent things as I read it aloud and even now I hear different things.
Cat, your only misstep was the "ity" in "incongruity". You marked it as a single unstressed syllable, but go back and look- you will find it is two syllables. This is why we have workshops, to try and figure out what we're looking at. For me, I'm looking at about twelve poems in trochee before I can relax with it.
wesley

W. H. Snow

A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

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Forgive any errors, we know this is not an exact science.

Nonsense/ is the/ answer/, poet.
Incon/gruity in/ poesy [second foot dactylic? I asked for a mix, that's good]
hides a/ lack of/ innate/ talent.[oops, a stray Iamb there? or dialect?]
Nonce words/ need no/ vindi/cation,
whimsy/ never/ wants but/ fancy.
Cogniz/ance is/ over/ rated.
Since the/ reader /does not/ “get” it,
why should/ we write/ subtle/ verses?
Doctor/. Geisel/ under/stood it,
Dodgson/ wrote to/ feign de/mentia.
Audiences/ thought ‘twas/ genius.[first foot could be a bouble trochee but I read it as DUM da da da ]
Why, oh/ why, should/ I make/ sense then?
There is/ only/ one good/ reason-
“I” would/ like to/ read my/ poesy.

Excellent Trochaic Tetrameter with creative Dactyls incorporated.

I would like to see some strong and weak lines too.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

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