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I seriously don't know how to use assonance and consonance

One time I’m in the mould and jamming with the worms.
Another locked in stir and nearer lunacy
than half a dozen men that I have ever been.
I think, therefore I stink when I again would drink.
So many faces grace the moods I shred as lace
and I cannot keep thought from jumbling in a knot.
Once long ago when strong I hung it on the moon.
The ethanol and madness fall and cause me crawl
from that white light the werewolf fights on brilliant nights.
So what is real and what is thought I’ll rot to know,
but real is how one heals when feels one cannot think.

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I really, really, really do not understand how these concepts are utilized to change the nature of a sentence. The mechanics are easy (as far as I can tell without understanding), but there must be more than accentuating some vowels and consonants over others in a line. The above poem is crap, but follows the technical description I have received from Jess and my other reading. I cannot for the life of me "hear" how this can benefit poetic structure. I am bloody clueless here. Help. wesley
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does this help?
About the only green around
is laurel thickets on hillsides
and velvet moss matting damp ground---------------moss matting=alliteration within a verse
silencing my foot fall's sound----------------foot falls =same as above
where the hibernating newt now hides---------newt now =alliteration again

The bare trees hardly even shiver
from the swirling mountain wind
which seeks in earnest to deliver
air that makes a few ferns shiver-----------few ferns =2 rhyming words within a verse....I think assonance
as I round the creek's next bend

In my opinion any similar and repeated word sounds can be used to improve a poem of any style if not overdone....now back to the regularly scheduled program lol............stan

here's the problem I have. I understand the mechanics of assonance, consonance and alliteration (I used alliteration in "The Felling of The King"), but I don't hear how it improves or degrades a verse. I'm simply aware of the like sounds and it changes nothing for me. Just like sounds. The alliteration often sounds cute, but makes no real change in the poem to me. Not even in your examples. The words and meter make the poem. The alliteration is incidental.
Squeeze me?
wesley

W. H. Snow

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The difference is about the same as the difference between a speach and a song. Both can deliver the same message but the song brings more pleasure to the listener. hmmm....... let me make up an example right quick
speach: A war is approaching but we will prevail because of who we are
Poetry with either alliteratio , consonance or assonance:
The loud cloud of a storm draws nigh
replacing light with growling gray
and strobing streaks of hammerblows
our enemy shall rue this day

For we have justice on our side
while all they have is heinous hate
and conceit for their prideful bride
we shall stand stout as we await

OK not the prettiest thing but I hope this helps a little..........stan

it doesn't help. I truly understand the mechanics involved. What you have given me a couple of times are excellent examples. First a line of informative, dull prose, then several lines of lovely poetry. I have been reading massive numbers of poems by Keats, Coleridge, Pope... et. al. that employed assonance and/or consonance. I find the same thing in all of them including yours. The assonance/consonance makes no discernible difference. It does not hinder or help. Your lines above are lovely lines of poetry, but would have been just as lovely without accenting particular vowel sounds. What I have been trying to grab is the reason WHY it allegedly improves the poetry. I don't hear it. I don't hear it in Keats. I don't hear it in Virgil. I don't hear it in Tennyson. I am seeking legitimate, mechanical reasons as to why this improves poetry when it appears obvious to me that the language only is what makes poetry lovely.
"I shall stand stout as I await." It's just three "S's". "I shall hold stoutly as I wait." No change. A different arrangement of words. Same meter. The alliteration makes NO difference that "I" can hear.
Thanks for trying so hard Stan, but I don't need examples I need reasons (hard, mechanical reasons) WHY.
Fifty percent of art is ethereal. Fifty percent if mechanical. I need a mechanical to find the ethereal because I do not hear what you and Jess hear.
Really Stan, thanks for the efforts. Please don't stop, but I give you permission to take a break. This subject will return. I for one will not let it lie. If only to have something to explain in future workshops.
wesley

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whether you can or not understand the concepts to the extent that you know the piece that you wrote is crap you have introduce me to two poetic devices that i may want to explore and utilize in future. Thanks poetic friend for teaching me of another dimension in poetry.

always
willy

Wow, it packs a punch this one. I have Jack & some beatnik sitting on my shoulder now. Definitely nteresting & lots there to get lost in (or not). It is far from my style & I feel a little impotent in crituquing, especially since I feel so rusty myself after such a long break. It does call me to read again & I am intrigued to read other works of yours too.

I couldn't help thinking my boys would love to rap with this though (Mostly they choose very political material to rap, it more that way in Australia, the rap has a different focus than the bitches & Ho's I suspect dominate US rap)... not that tha's my scene.

Anyway, I can see the attraction to the heavy rock stuff after reading this (did you do original songs?)... this would be quite a baby to train into a heavy rock song I think.

Cheers
A

Cheers
Anni

My dear friend always told me "Water the seeds of joy first"

is just that it makes it sound better read aloud.

That's why we will be looking at how to match assonance/consonance to content and use it for pacing.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

I think that's the nail on the head. So much poetry here I fear is read silently which is OK but when read aloud is when the subtle differences emerge. Many's the time I write something and let it lie a day or so then go over it and make a few changes and think" this is not too bad" .But then I read it aloud and trips and stumbles assault my ear. Wes, maybe your trouble with this assonance/consonance thing is in trying to intellectualize it instead of hearing it..........i.e. Love=physical attraction +availability divided by chemical reaction Versus My love is like a clear spring day..........poetry is more than the sum of its parts lol..........stan

As all the poetic forms, they have many uses, assonance/consonance well it is sometime natural and there again some struggle.
I am of the opinion that it is a personal thing, if you want to write with a certain structure then do so.
All poetic forms, to anyone that doesn't know them, is hard but can be learned, except by stubborn old B's like me.
For all those that strive to learn these things I think they are the tops in poetry not that they can write it.
We keep going on about all the old masters or Bards about how great they are, when are we going to find some modern Bard's that can write.
What is it they are supposed to write, Shakespeare, Ballads or Epics or for that matter anything.
Is there anyone out there that can get their heads out of the old books and define what the modern poet should write in perfection instead of going ON and ON about years past.
A challenge here to define modern poetic perfection, and one that will survive without any troubles for hundreds of years.
So come on all you masters of the arts lets have a proper talk on this subject and a conclusion that will last a hundred years,
Yours Ian.T

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There are a million reasons to believe in yourself,
So find more reasons to believe in others..

I don't see the "Masters" as being old. In my perspective modern history began about 5,000 years ago. Chaucer was yesterday. Not enough time has past for me to consider them "the past". Bill Shakespeare is new.
As to reading my poetry out loud... Everything I write is memorized before I complete it. Even the little workshop pieces. So, by the time I am posting I have read the poem aloud to myself thirty or forty times at the least. I used to keep the epic maintained in memorization, but backed off around 16,000 lines because it took to much work to keep up and was drawing from my time to write anew. So everything I write is worked out loud because it DOES indeed show up much of the stupid stuff I would gloss over otherwise.
I'll keep trying to find the difference and hoping for epiphany, but I still don't hear enough of a difference to warrant extra effort to write with assonance et. al.
wesley

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Come on those people are old and you know it, this school of thought seems strange where we are trying to write as they did albeit they only lived a few years ago.
If I spoke to my children as I spoke when a child they would not understand a word.
We have evolved in Paintings and many things, dialects are fading away as the way the great Bard spoke and wrote.
It is structure of poetry that has to change to give the modern poets a name or form.
Read the odd Rap or song lyric look at a text sent by a young person.
Could you imagine what the great Bard would have done had he a Computer.
I hope that Neopoet turns some of its energy into trying to find a poetic form for our young ones.
Yours Ian.T

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There are a million reasons to believe in yourself,
So find more reasons to believe in others..

Haven't seen you in a bit. I've been running around too much and not making time for the poetry outside of workshops lately, so I'm agonizingly unaware of anything you have done.
Makes a poet weep.
I understand what you're saying to me, but my frustrating problem is simply that I don't "hear" the assonance making things prettier. I know the mechanics and I've been reading reams of examples old and new, but still it is the language I hear. The assonance/consonance/alliteration simply does not appear to have much of an effect in a well written line. Nothing positive, nothing negative. I hear the verse and tricks with vowels and consonants don't change a heckuva lot for me.
I'm working these days part time at the local pet store (because I have a wealth of experience with animals... they don't know how lucky they are) and one of the things I'm helping with is acting as bather for their groomer (mostly because I can control a really bad dog). I think today I will try to clean my own ears 'cause I be missin' somethin' I know.
Darn it.
Good to "hear" from you.
wesley

W. H. Snow

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Computer problems are like cancer. Everyone knows someone who has it. wesley

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A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

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You have dumbed down your poetic ear with those endless rhyming couplets so you can no longer hear the subtleties of other poetic devices. Assonance/consonance are not mere 'decorative' devices, any more than rhyme and meter are. They are just more subtle.

You may have an epiphany when you start trying to match vowel and consonant sounds to content. Start working on it.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Since you've been studying meter, Beau?

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

However, I'm not going to stop whining and bitching about it in hopes someone will give me a magic bullet with the answers just to shut me up.
This is why I work the smaller formatted poems. That I am forced into a direction seldom taken. It is absolutely true that after 20,000 lines my poor, pathetic mind thinks in a specific way. Stay in that mode and I could perform at one of these little poetry nightclubs making stuff up as I went. Leave it and I trip on small rocks in my path.
Assonance/consonance is simply the sharpest rock I have recently tripped on.
I have started on a piece working them outside of the pace of the workshop. It is for you (may be about you) (surely because of you) and I will dump it on you when I have the slightest rough work. I need a direction to think about this that is better than what I have, so that I can actually practice the stuff. It's hard to practice football with a violin.
wesley

W. H. Snow

A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

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I have every confidence in you.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

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