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You say you want a Revolution.

Well, ya know?...

"the real issues presented by American poetry in the Eighties will become clearer: the debasement of poetic language; the prolixity of the lyric; the bankruptcy of the confessional mode; the inability to establish a meaningful aesthetic for new poetic narrative and the denial of a musical texture in the contemporary poem. The revival of traditional forms will be seen then as only one response to this troubling situation." (Dana Gioia)

In 1987 Dana Gioia wrote an article entitled “Notes on the New Formalism.” It was a reaction to a reaction. Previously in 1985 the AWP Newsletter published an op-ed they called “The Yuppie Poet”. In the article was first used the term “New Formalism” which itself is a reaction to “Modernism” which is associated with “The New Criticism” which, of course, is timed with the emergence of “Confessional Poetry” and “The Language Poets” (this is the ‘60’s. I can’t make this stuff up).

Where was I? Oh yes, making fun of poetry’s fads while trying to validate myself for all the pushing and prodding I give other poet’s to use the classic forms.

New Formalism was a sign of the interest in a revival of traditional poetic forms. The movement can be traced in publication as early as 1947 to Richard Wilbur’s collection “The Beautiful Changes”, though certainly not under that name.

In the AWP Newsletter article they were accused of being political conservatives and other equally unsavory charges (a socially charged linguistic mission, harboring nostalgic love, again this is all documented. I really can’t make this stuff up)

My point… I have one… I do.
I hesitate to share it as this feels rather self serving, but here it is.

“I am sure I will not be the only one grateful for ‘The Formalist’ (a literary periodical edited by William Baer from 1990-2004). Frankly, it was a shock to realize, as I looked through the first issue, that I had nearly given up the idea of taking pleasure from poetry.” (Arthur Miller)
When I first came to a poetry website, I expected all manner of grief from my new peers about a desire to write an epic poem. I would be told it was too long, too weird or worst of all- boring. What I did not expect was an aggressive affront to, of all things- it rhymes. A good friend of mine at another site once accused me of “trying to write a poem that sounded like a poem”.
Guilty as charged.
I found myself surprised because somehow, a year and a half ago, I had never met a poet who was not an avowed “New Formalist” (whether I or they knew it or not). Of course I had only known perhaps a couple dozen poets over my fifty years and have been introduced to perhaps many hundreds of poets on the internet in the year and a half, so the odds were probably in my favor previously. Suddenly I was surrounded by not only an ocean of “Free Verse” aficionados, but poets that were vociferous in their condemnation of my traditional form.
It was enlightening.
Trouble is, I have never been a “New Formalist”. I have always been an “Old Formalist”.
Because of the beauty, eloquence and power inherent in the poetic word, I have never been anything else.
And furthermore, all of the “New This” and “New That” has one thing in common. They are a reaction to a reaction. A label does not start a revolution. A movement does. A collection of people with like doctrines becoming numerous enough to label. I have said elsewhere that I have no need to defend the classical forms as I feel they are not in danger.
!Viva la revolution¡
I am W. H. Snow and I approved this message.

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I've been known to attempt rhyme every now and then myself lol. Until I went on line a little over a year ago, here at neo, I would have said that No free verse is real poetry. I based this on the few free verse "poems" I had heard or read until then. And especially based on the obomination cited at Obama's inaguration. It mostly had all sounded like somebody either reading a magazine article or cussing out a neighbor and the only rhythm was accomplished by artificial pauses and accenting.This is where I was at the time. And when I read what was mostly posted here at that time, which was preponderantly free verse, I fully Expected to be attacked for using the old fashioned rhyming form which this beginner prefers. I WAS WRONG. I actually can't recall a single time that the form I chose to use was condemned. This suprised me so much that I decided to read some of this free verse stuff. A lot of it is/was crap. Just as a lot of rhyming stuff(including my own) is crap. But here and there appears a free verse which is magnificent in the beauty or emotion it delivers. Now I have found some subjects which I have found are actually better covered by Good free verse than Good rhyme.

But I still prefer doing most of my own writing in traditional rhyme(even though I Do attempt free verse every once in a while. I have come to discover that trying to be proficent in most forms leads to improvement in my chosen form.I think free verse will eventually be overshadowed by the metered forms and probably by the rhyming metered forms over the course of time. This belief is based on the simple fact that rhyme is easier to remember than free verse or poetic prose. I hope I've been here long enough now that people realize my preference has been mainly to what I write and that I Do appreciate most forms when done well.

Now excuse me as I dive for shelter 'cause I know that I have likely unintentionally offended Somebody lol......stan

I could've written the above, so closely do I relate to your scenarios. It was weird. wesley

W. H. Snow

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I like your blatant admonishing me.
Free Verse...
I always have said,
I ain't much of a poet,
Since birth
I crap and crack.LOL!

As long as someone laughs at my work,
I seem to have achieved my intention,
Of making one exercise 240 muscles,
Smiling at me

One may not lose many calories,
But a smile is worth its while.

Hope my dearest friend Jess,
Is peeing around the corner!

God Bless
Freer Verses...

loved

Well, Wesley, if ever you quit writing your epic, you can make beaucoup bucks by being a satirist or political speech writer. (Are they different, I wonder?)

Love your voice, your humour and your honesty. To be sure all political messages (especially those with poetic undercurrents) are self-destructive, Mr. Phelps, should you accept your mission.

And did you hear my jaw dropping when I heard that *poem*. She must have written it because she had latent teaparty aspirations. The literary world winced.

~A

From WIki: The eve of the address was marked by heavy snow, but plans made to cancel the address were overridden.[2] After attending the Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Georgetown, Kennedy headed towards the U.S. Capitol building accompanied by President Dwight Eisenhower to the inaugural ceremony.[2]

Robert Frost attended the inaugural ceremonies, and brought a handwritten poem titled Dedication meant for the President. Although Frost had planned to read aloud a typed copy of the poem at the ceremonies, the sun glare reflecting off the heavy snow that fell the night before made it difficult to read.[11][12] Lyndon Johnson attempted to shield the glare with his top hat but this proved futile. Frost then recited by memory The Gift Outright, and handed the original handwritten version of Dedication to John and his wife Jacqueline, who framed the poem and wrote on the back: For Jack. First thing I had framed to be put in your office. First thing to be hung there.[11]

The Gift Outright by Robert Frost

The land was ours before we were the land's.
She was our land more than a hundred years
Before we were her people. She was ours
In Massachusetts, in Virginia,
But we were England's, still colonials,
Possessing what we still were unpossessed by,
Possessed by what we now no more possessed.
Something we were withholding made us weak
Until we found out that it was ourselves
We were withholding from our land of living,
And forthwith found salvation in surrender.
Such as we were we gave ourselves outright
(The deed of gift was many deeds of war)
To the land vaguely realizing westward,
But still unstoried, artless, unenhanced,
Such as she was, such as she would become.

Dedication by Robert Frost

Poetry by Robert Frost

Written in commemoration of John F. Kennedy's 1961 Inauguration

Dedication - The Complete Text

Summoning artists to participate
In the august occasions of the state
Seems something artists ought to celebrate.
Today is for my cause a day of days.
And his be poetry's old-fashioned praise
Who was the first to think of such a thing.
This verse that in acknowledgement I bring
Goes back to the beginning of the end
Of what had been for centuries the trend;
A turning point in modern history.
Colonial had been the thing to be
As long as the great issue was to see
What country'd be the one to dominate
By character, by tongue, by native trait,
The new world Christopher Columbus found.
The French, the Spanish, and the Dutch were downed
And counted out. Heroic deeds were done.
Elizabeth the First and England won.
Now came on a new order of the ages
That in the Latin of our founding sages
(Is it not written on the dollar bill
We carry in our purse and pocket still?)
God nodded his approval of as good.
So much those heroes knew and understood,
I mean the great four, Washington,
John Adams, Jefferson, and Madison
So much they saw as consecrated seers
They must have seen ahead what not appears,
They would bring empires down about our ears
And by the example of our Declaration
Make everybody want to be a nation.
And this is no aristocratic joke
At the expense of negligible folk.
We see how seriously the races swarm
In their attempts at sovereignty and form.
They are our wards we think to some extent
For the time being and with their consent,
To teach them how Democracy is meant.
"New order of the ages" did they say?
If it looks none too orderly today,
'Tis a confusion it was ours to start
So in it have to take courageous part.
No one of honest feeling would approve
A ruler who pretended not to love
A turbulence he had the better of.
Everyone knows the glory of the twain
Who gave America the aeroplane
To ride the whirlwind and the hurricane.
Some poor fool has been saying in his heart
Glory is out of date in life and art.
Our venture in revolution and outlawry
Has justified itself in freedom's story
Right down to now in glory upon glory.
Come fresh from an election like the last,
The greatest vote a people ever cast,
So close yet sure to be abided by,
It is no miracle our mood is high.
Courage is in the air in bracing whiffs
Better than all the stalemate an's and ifs.
There was the book of profile tales declaring
For the emboldened politicians daring
To break with followers when in the wrong,
A healthy independence of the throng,
A democratic form of right devine
To rule first answerable to high design.
There is a call to life a little sterner,
And braver for the earner, learner, yearner.
Less criticism of the field and court
And more preoccupation with the sport.
It makes the prophet in us all presage
The glory of a next Augustan age
Of a power leading from its strength and pride,
Of young amibition eager to be tried,
Firm in our free beliefs without dismay,
In any game the nations want to play.
A golden age of poetry and power
Of which this noonday's the beginning hour.

-Courtesy of the St. Lawrence University Archives

The Gift Outright

Poem recited instead by Robert Frost at the
1961 Inauguration

The land ws our before we were the land's.
She was our land more than a hundred years
Before we were her people. She was ours
In Massachusetts, in Virginia,
But we were England's, Still colonials,
Possessing what we still were unpossessed by,
Possessed by what we now no more possessed.
Something we were withholding from our land of living,
And forthwith found salvation in surrender.
Such as we were we gave ourselves outright
(The deed of gift was many deeds of war)
To the land vaguely; realizing westward,
But still unstoried, artless, unenhanced,
Such as she was, such as she would become.

Cheers, oh ye of little faith.

~Anna

I had never read "Dedication". They would all have fallen asleep. I'm sorry if I'm picking on a poem you like, but I have to say I really didn't like "Dedication". Thank you for turning me on to it though, it's one of those poems I think every poet should have under his/her belt. It is a well known (at least the title) because of a historical mixup. Things like that push a poem to a prominence that's sometimes unearned. wesley

W. H. Snow

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Karma? Frost couldn't read that piece (the least of Frost's poems, perhaps?). He read the infinitely better one "The Gift Outright". Funny how that happened. Too bad it was a cold an blustery day for Obama and she read her poem without a poetic voice.

I think it is a damned good one to read and a better one when *delivered* right.

Praise Song for the Day ~ Elizabeth Alexander

Each day we go about our business,
walking past each other, catching each other’s
eyes or not, about to speak or speaking.

All about us is noise. All about us is
noise and bramble, thorn and din, each
one of our ancestors on our tongues.

Someone is stitching up a hem, darning
a hole in a uniform, patching a tire,
repairing the things in need of repair.

Someone is trying to make music somewhere,
with a pair of wooden spoons on an oil drum,
with cello, boom box, harmonica, voice.

A woman and her son wait for the bus.
A farmer considers the changing sky.
A teacher says, Take out your pencils. Begin.

We encounter each other in words, words
spiny or smooth, whispered or declaimed,
words to consider, reconsider.

We cross dirt roads and highways that mark
the will of some one and then others, who said
I need to see what’s on the other side.

I know there’s something better down the road.
We need to find a place where we are safe.
We walk into that which we cannot yet see.

Say it plain: that many have died for this day.
Sing the names of the dead who brought us here,
who laid the train tracks, raised the bridges,

picked the cotton and the lettuce, built
brick by brick the glittering edifices
they would then keep clean and work inside of.

Praise song for struggle, praise song for the day.
Praise song for every hand-lettered sign,
the figuring-it-out at kitchen tables.

Some live by love thy neighbor as thyself,
others by first do no harm or take no more
than you need. What if the mightiest word is love?

Love beyond marital, filial, national,
love that casts a widening pool of light,
love with no need to pre-empt grievance.

In today’s sharp sparkle, this winter air,
any thing can be made, any sentence begun.
On the brink, on the brim, on the cusp,

praise song for walking forward in that light.

~~~~~~

Imo, the poem was not *heard* then and it's still not heard now.

As Bono sang: "love is the highest law".

~A

"she read her poem without her poetic voice". A truly good poem supplies its own poetic voice and that kinda proves my point about difference between good and bad poetry whether free verse or traditional lol........stan

Let me get this straight with what we agree on Stan. I disagree with your premise. I've heard some folks read the best of the most famous poems horribly. They slaughtered the integrity of the poem with their inability to read the poem as it was meant to be read.

Reading the poem today, I think there is another factor at play (and I haven't read it since I heard it on Obama's Inauguration Day). I think it is a beautifully caputured and encapsulated poem. However, the poem whether her reading of it or my hearing was the at-the-moment determining factor in its lack of success, that particular day on that particular occasion and my ability to *hear*.the words rather than just listening to the voice.

If we agree on this, then we're in agreement.

~A

In my unlearned opinion anything written that requires that it be read in a "poetic voice" in order to be considered poetry Isn't poetry but just words written in segments. This is not meant to be the same as saying one form is superior to another but rather that truly good poetry supplies its own voice. Bad free verse is as bad as rhyming poetry in which the rhyme feels forced. In this case Both sound unnatural to the ear when read either out loud or to oneself. You know I've ventured into many forms. If I were unable to see the potential for beauty in these forms I would have just passed them by..................stan PS It was NOT your reading of that poem which failed, it was the poem itself

Excusssssssssssssssssssse me Stan. If James Earl Jones, Richard Burton, Richard Harris or Morgan Freeman read the McDonald's breakfast menu, would you not be *entertained*?

See my point.

Did you even read the poem by Elizabeth Alexander and would you put Harry Chapin, Leonard Cohen and Shawn Phillips in your category of the best of the last-50-years songwriters? I'm not even going to mention the more recent ones, as you probably don't listen to them. I apologize if I'm making an assumption.

None of their poems are what I would call simple song-rhyme.

~A

There is no need
to ask excuse for taste
as tastes vary so widely
from one individual
to another.

And be assured
that I Did read the mere
amalgamation of words
written by Elizabeth
and after due consideration
and even some deliberation
still declare I think that it
is no more True poetry
than these lines.....................stan

and now can appreciate him! Would you walk openly at night without gaurded
escort? darked out SUV guzzling fuel? He spat in the eye of those who
did not question things and asked them to question..Lennon did not say This
is what you should consider This if what I am telling you to fucking do!
he was no cock on stage. He did not turn the gun on himself either like
so many did..troubled peoples My heart goes to them yes..No Lennon believed
in what he said and accepted that someone would come forth and take the literal shot at him..That is the true Revolutionary spirit!!! Lennon was True! He did not write this and that for popular consumption at all but for people willing to stand up and have their say and be heard... I admire him now and see that he truely was what he spoke about He WAS a revolutionary!
Viva la Lennon!

i see real poets famous drone on about
their work..i had to work at mine
got lots of critique about how to read
it...I can see this now clearly! thanks
Stan

I gree that much of the best poetry of the last 50 or so years is contained within song lyrics.........stan

I like your blatant admonishing me.
Free Verse...
I always have said,
I ain't much of a poet,
Since birth
I crap and crack.LOL!

As long as someone laughs at my work,
I seem to have achieved my intention,
Of making one exercise 240 muscles,
Smiling at me

One may not lose many calories,
But a smile is worth its while.

Hope my dearest friend Jess,
Is peeing around the corner!

God Bless
Freer Verses...

loved

Weird.
Every poem has a distinctive voice based on the "character" of the voice. It may be a poor voice, but every written word has "someone" voicing it and it is not always the poet.
wesley

W. H. Snow

A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

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this is much like the "covers" of songs on U tube
that people do.. some good and some not so good
but each interpretation and effort is a resulting
array and take on the original. Some of the affects
of this are astoundingly moving!

Thank You

partly with Anna, and partly with Wes. To me the intention of the way the poet wrote can not be changed, this is why I believe that the written lanuage is everything. the words the rythm and it's meter are everything on keeping how the poet wrote it. To me that is were you find the poets voice. so again the written is important if you want to get it across as a poet. I have heard many people butcher a perfectly good poem because of the infiction in their speaking voice. meter syllables and content to me is everything. at lease it's what i've learned here in four years, and still I have a long way to go. I find that some here are domesticated in their thinking. an open mind especially in poetry is everything.

Eddie
...

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

By the way a great piece of info for an unread writer as myself. Thank You!

Eddie
...

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

This is the third installment of an article I write at another site and it sort of caught me by surprise. I had never heard of Formalism.
Eddie, I fully agree with your last insights. I've always thought that we as poets have one of the greatest advantages in the creation of our art. We can actually force a reader, someone years and miles from here, to read our poem in a specific way. We need only manipulate the words. It is, as you say, where the poet's voice resides.
wesley

W. H. Snow

A poet is a nightingale, who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds. Percy Bysshe Shelley

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that's it for me too.

thank you, wow I think I am learning.

Eddie

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

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