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A critique must teach you ultimately...
in improving your poetry/art /work

It is not necessary
for a critique too say
''you are a
wanker
self praise
seeker
pulling ones skirt up
like a gal
come ''read'' me
like an open book
kind sort of

This is base not criticism
by a critique
do you agree
or disagree

The critique must give suggestions and views
how to improve the poem/work

Some writers are trained
but not born
whereas Poets/artists are born
not trained.

See what Nobel Pablo had to say
If it does not come to you naturally
don't pretend
and so on
that you are a poet etc

Hope I have conveyed the message
in its right perspective.

All arrtists want to be read and praised
as a painter and or a singer also does

What is so (extra)ordinary about art
if it is not appreciated.....
the artist dies within himself
when no one pats his back,
but if you say
edit this ...
add a comma there etc
then see
the poet will fall in front of you flat.

Now your views please
This is a BLOG
hence no criticism

Comments

I must disagree on this point:

Some writers are trained
but not born
whereas Poets/artists are born
not trained.

See what Nobel Pablo had to say
If it does not come to you naturally
don't pretend
and so on
that you are a poet etc

If we only did what came naturally and people could only pursue what skills they were able to acquire quickly, we wouldn't have doctors or teachers or firefighters and carpenters to take care of us, or boxers and comedians, magicians, and singers to entertain us, just to name a few.

Everything takes practice. There is nothing wrong with practice. Working hard to pursue a dream or a skill is something to be proud of, but this idea that you have to "pretend" if you are not immediately/innately good at something is very damaging. It discourages young people from learning and striving to be the best they can be. It dismisses older people who have worked hard for a long time to become great at what they do.

Yes, there are totally savants and people with a high aptitude for learning many things that just master skills quickly and easily, and that's totally great for them. But here is the thing. Not everyone can be a savant. We shouldn't have to be a savant to be considered worthwhile in whatever skill or career we choose.

Telling people that if they aren't born talented makes them fake and they shouldn't pursue it is ridiculous and only serves to make the billions of regular people like you and me feel like crap for no reason at all. When regular people have this mindset its usually because they think they are superior to others and want to put others down. It's pointless. You and I are not savants, Loved, so believing this only serves for you to put yourself down while praising people we don't even know.

Kelsey
PS: comment on your November contest is coming. It's a long one.

Advocates Coordinator

Critique, don't comment. Neopoet is a workshop and is designed to share your poetry, receive and make critique of the work posted, and most importantly, for you to evolve as a poet.

www.kelsey-burroughs.weebly.com

I'm sticking to my guns and not critiquing or replying to Lovedly about anything since he threw a tantie when I failed to critique one of his runner up contest poems.

ps, I think there is more of the savant in you than you give yourself credit for Kelsey, which is not to take away from the amount of study and training you clearly do.

cheers,
Jess
Everything changes bar one. Neopoet's 'Prime Directive'-
"Critique don't comment".
https://www.neopoet.com/community-guidelines

Kelsey
PS: comment on your November contest is coming. It's a long one.

Advocates Coordinator

author comment

I did comment?? It was the long conversation we had about the Naked Trees contest. I don't know what happened to the comments (maybe you deleted?) but they were they comments that led to this current revision: https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/poems/naked-autumn-treesnovember-contes...

Remember, I told you how much I liked the dashes and the opening lines? Remember the suggestions for imagery, and to take the majority of the poem and put that in another poem because the opening didn't feel like it matched?

Kelsey

Advocates Coordinator

Critique, don't comment. Neopoet is a workshop and is designed to share your poetry, receive and make critique of the work posted, and most importantly, for you to evolve as a poet.

www.kelsey-burroughs.weebly.com

Now I recall
but the comment is no more
I wonder who absorbed it all
Kindness lady
you area wonder
'tis a pleasure reading you
I will improve
of course with your concerted guidance

author comment

I'm just gonna give you the link to
Kelsey's blog from this morning; it
directly addresses your complaint;

https://www.neopoet.com/swamp-witch/blog/sat-2017-11-18-0235

but my personal views
we can't and shouldn't compare docs
who need learners tools
with an IMAGERY
poets have sensed by their own experience and individual observation
I stand corrected and apologize as and when due

I am a learner poet
by now all Neo
knew.(KNOWS)
Shall read Kelsey's anew
thank you
our themoonman
Sir you
I am a poet without a clue

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