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Neopoet Nazi
Neopoet before the crash use to be a far friendlier place, full of constructive criticism and an all around great atmosphere for growing poets.It has come to my attention that since the crash there are some here trying to change this site in their image.I understand where these people are coming from when they talk about fluff comments but I have experienced something far worse under the guise of "critique".A certain member that i shall call Neopoet Nazi, this person critiqued a certain post of mine with very little constructive criticism and a veiled personal attack hidden within.I have tried to explain to this member about this difference between constructive criticism and just plain rudeness, all I get in return is "I am founding member of this site and I have helped fifty people", personally I don't care that this person has helped people in the past, as far as I'm concerned the past is gone and its all about what we do now.I fear if I was a new poet on here looking for help and had much thinner skin, this person just may have chased me off.Luckily for me I am not this type of person, however unlucky it is for the Neopoet Nazi.I would now like to come to the point of this blog, this site use to be very special and still is in many respects but this site is at a crossroads.I submit to you all, if these kind of juvenile actions keep up this site will be no different than any other social network.I am here because I realize that my writing is rough and seek help in smoothing it out and becoming the best writer I can be, I would hope that most here are here for the same reason.I will now end this with a word of warning to all who may like leaving personal attacks in the form of critique, DON'T FUCK WITH ME !!!!! I am the wrong person to be fucked with in this way.As for everyone else, I am sorry for the use of vulgarity in this post.I would also like to thank all that have been helpful in a constructive way towards me since Ive been back, you all are wonderful and special people.
I feel that i need to explain something, this person did say sorry and I did accept it, however I logged back on later in the day and he had started it back up with me which is when I wrote this blog.There was nothing disingenuous in my acceptance, I meant every word.I hope this clears some things up.
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Favorite Poets
I have many favorite poets but I like Poe the most.I would also feel wrong if I didn't include music to this also, for I find it to be of great inspiration.These are lyrics to a song by Monster Magnet called Ozium, it never fails to put me in the writing mood and thought I would share it, lol., " I'm up to my brain in the mire of an ancient swamp, Pteranadon smiles at me and flies up to god, Baby let me drink deep from your globes of reality, Writhe your naked ass to the mindless groove, baby give your tongue a taste and follow me up to my room, the bullgod has your head, and baby thats just fine, now it is time, we became the mighty cell, wrap those hungry jacks? to the mindless groove, they say we've got a lifetime, but we know that ain't true, I will not be denied, I will not be denied, baby, the faster you gyrate the faster we'll be there, arms up overhead, a goddess in the ancient song, work that mighty world to the mindless groove, they say weve got a life time but we know that ain't true, I will not be denied, I will not be denied, they say weve got a lifetime, but we know that ain't true, I will not be denied I will not be denied"
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lou
Fri, 2011-02-25 21:35
Hi
Too true
Well done
Lou
Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!
KINGZOMBIE
Fri, 2011-02-25 21:48
thank you
I'm hoping that posting this blog will put some light on this issue, and that my message will come across loud and clear, "I WILL NOT TOLERATE BULLIES" and no one else should have to either.
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author commentKailashana2
Fri, 2011-02-25 21:57
How disingenuous! You were
How disingenuous! You were apologized to and you accepted his apology.
It seems you are living in your own fantasy on Neopoet *was*. The old site was replete with nice nice and with the spotlight being won by mediocre poems while better poets hardly got a nod.
Rather than write another blog (to end all blogs. lol.) I had a major epiphany with something Barry mentioned. How are fledgling poets to offer valuable insights and critique? That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. We need editors/poets who have had some experience and have some recognized credibility by virtue of being published if not degreed. Few folks are good poets who have not been published, hold degrees, or careers in the literary field.
Imo, you need to apologize to Neopoet for this Zombie. It's brought us down to a new low.
~A
KINGZOMBIE
Fri, 2011-02-25 22:23
I did accept it
He started it back up once again to my surprise after his apology and my acceptance of it.It has also come to my attention that he has bullied others far worse.I will not apologize because if this is what you all want neopoet to become then it is neopoet that should be apologizing.I am sick of this childishness and will put and end to it one way or another.I have said in multiple posts now that I am talking about constructive criticism not fluff.But fluff is better than the cyber bullying that I have been hearing about.It is not I who has brought this site to a new low but it is all who turn a blind eye to his behavior.You have a great idea with editors thing.I know that I don't feel like I can critique anyones poetry.
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author commentKINGZOMBIE
Sun, 2011-02-27 06:30
Very well said Bee
You totally understood what i was saying, thank you
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author commentKINGZOMBIE
Fri, 2011-02-25 23:00
Do you all see
how this behavior spins out of control and brings the whole site to a lower place.
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author commentRace_9togo
Sat, 2011-02-26 01:36
Yes I do see.
And I would point out that your blog as in fact made it spin that much lower.
This is the Internet...just ignore those who bully and threaten, as I do. Do not comment on his poems. Do not comment on his comments. Each time he provides criticism, PM this person and tell him to stop. You are letting bullies and instigators get under your skin. It's the virtual world, for gods' sakes, not the real one.
All of us should stop this. I for one will not participate any further in this argument about who is threatening who, insulting who, and making the site "worse", because EVERY SINGLE BLOG AND POST ON THIS SUBJECT IS DOING JUST THAT.
Complain to those who can DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, instead. As I recall, that worked in the past, on the old site.
Have a good one.
Respectfully, Race
"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo
KINGZOMBIE
Sat, 2011-02-26 05:22
Said like Switzerland
Yes this is online, yes my blog may have made things worse, but I don't think so.I have learned about a lot of others who this person has ran off the site, and of the horrible things he has said to other members.I have already messaged the proper people about this.I would suggest something too for everyone else that reads this, to ignore a problem isn't a fix, it only passes the problem off to those who follow and tends to make things worse.I posted this blog to highlight a problem with this site, it can be fixed but it can not be fixed with burying our heads in the sand, I imagine that this is what has been going on for some time and would be the reason this problem has not been fixed already.In my personal experience with online bullies, public shame and humiliation has always worked best.Thank you for your pacifistic point of view.
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author commentRace_9togo
Sat, 2011-02-26 14:00
Pacifistic point of view
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Respectfully, Race
"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo
scribbler
Fri, 2011-02-25 23:35
so....
Only editors, published poets, and those with literary degrees can produce good poetry ??? Anna, you disappoint me in making this statement. Elitism never comes to much good here or in any level of life. I am deeply and personally hurt by your statement.........................scribbler
KINGZOMBIE
Fri, 2011-02-25 23:39
good point
Its a very good point actually.I just know that I don't feel comfortable enough to be critical of anybodies work.
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author commentKailashana2
Fri, 2011-02-25 23:51
Stan, I'm surprised. Usually
Stan, I'm surprised. Usually you read /listen better. Read my post again for context. I was speaking of critiquing. How is a novice poet supposed to do any critiquing if they are learning the art of poetry? Not all children are born poets.though all can be taught to the degree of their willingness.
~A
scribbler
Sat, 2011-02-26 00:15
hello anna
even a neophyte knows what they like. Might not know why they like it, but they know. Should they keep silent until they have proven their "worth"? I am no writer, but I can still appreciate a good story or poem when I see it..................stan
sakkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Sat, 2011-02-26 00:29
Poets
Hello to each and all that find the time to play in thier minds of words. To start I would like to say I've been here from its creation. What I found was people that loved the written word. Sure each had thier own view yet some were to speak thier minds as to myself, you understand at least I tried to understand. I myself have not written any work from the day that Neopoet crashed yet I remember the time spent to a place of friends and help to my work. My fault as I did not back up any of my poems as I write from the cuff. Laughing at myself my fault yet what the heck Im me Sakkk a poet a mechanic a lover of friends and guns. Well all I can say is the truth to my day my world what I concider as fun. See ya on the flip side and can someone let me know if geezer is alive and well. As he was a person of many that I respected and loved. See ya on the flipside of life and by chance I will find my way back to my friends agian. Sakkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Steven A. Kacer
KINGZOMBIE
Sat, 2011-02-26 00:34
i did the same, lol
I lost almost everything that i had on old neopoet too, my fault as well since nothing was backed up properly.at the time I was using a Ps3 and that burnt up on me.What a sad day that was, lol.Hope to read your writing sakkkkk:-)
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author commentRace_9togo
Sat, 2011-02-26 01:28
Steve, it's good to see you man, welcome back!
Geezer is alive and well, and posting much good poetry here on our new site.
Respectfully, Race
"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo
KINGZOMBIE
Sat, 2011-02-26 05:02
Never been afraid to speak out, lol
Our voice is a very special thing, it is a gift from the gods and even a sword when needed.I have now spoken with quite a few members that are afraid to use their voice about this very same person fearing retaliation and ridicule.I would also hate the thought of someone crashing the old neopoet on purpose, but yes it can be done with the proper tech knowledge.I highly doubt that someone would have done it though.
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author commentKailashana2
Sat, 2011-02-26 21:44
However, this constant
However, this constant *speaking out*.....is it helping the site or not? I speak out in favour of writing good poetry, soliciting and eliciting good critique in my ongoing striving to be a better poet and write better poetry.
And the others?
Choosing sides and making *friends* to foster our sense of being *wronged*. I hate when that happens.. I want to say I hope I never have to write another blog about the quality of critiquing and the social atmosphere that permeates the workshop ethic into something that is at best,
a back-slapping side glancing snickering private messaging phenomenon. And I use the word facetiously.
Postscript to Scribbler: do you really think that a professional editor, who is not vested in friendship and can read our poems objectively, be not *good* for the site and for helping us over our logjams?
~A
I want to
KINGZOMBIE
Sat, 2011-02-26 23:58
Its not about choosing sides
Its about right and wrong, its about opening dialog, take a schoolyard bully for example.When a child has a problem with a bully and tries to ignore the bully it only makes things worse, if the child tells on the bully, it only makes things worse.When a child breaks the bullies nose in front of the bullies friends, the bully thinks twice about bullying that child again.Its not about making friends or creating enemies, its about stopping a wrong.I have heard true horror stories(far worse than mine) about what this person has done with other members and the blind eye towards it.If we see something that is not right, is it not our duty to try our hardest to correct these things?Giving a critique isn't about giving the harshest critique possible, a critique is for pointing out what is wrong structurally with the post and then suggesting possible ways to fix it.This was not the case in my experience with this person and apparently many others.My point for all of this and I will be very clear with what I say now, there is no time for SMART ASS RUDE comments about anybodies poetry, and absolutely no time or place for PERSONAL ATTACKS.I would much rather be working the rough out of my poetry then explaining this, but I feel that if some here have not experienced actions like this first hand then they are just able to put it off as "NO BIG DEAL" thus allowing the cycle to continue.Every person on here, especially long time and founding members has an obligation to create a respectful and constructive atmosphere for, young, struggling, and less educated, and growing poets.This is only my attempt to bring attention to an important and often overlooked issue.If you don't like what I'm saying then maybe you should take a close look in the mirror and an even closer look at your soul.
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author commentscribbler
Sat, 2011-02-26 22:08
anna
I take all the help I can get. i just think a person can provide help even if they are new to writing and reading poetry. Often eyes untrained in the art can spot things others can't because the others are too intent on form or other things involved in good poetry. I am even vain enough to think that a beginner like myself can contribute to the growth of those who wish to be helped. undegee'd, unpublished, non-editor..............scribbler
lou
Sun, 2011-02-27 10:30
To me
Everything Kingzombie has said on this blog makes complete sense.
I just can not understand those who tolerate rudness and bad behaviour, and think it its a lovable personality trait.
Most people that are on this site, are here to improve. In my opinion all that we need to do is encourage each other and make constructive observations about eachothers work. I can't for the life of me, see how you improve people's work , and for that matter, the standard of the critiques, on this site, by insulting and demoralising people.
Lou.
Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!
Kailashana2
Sun, 2011-02-27 10:44
l. Consider the *source*
l. Consider the *source* when one has a *issue* with another member on this site.
2. Consider your momentary *mood* will you feel that way tomorrow? If not, hold off until you
can deal with the issues and not the offense taken.
3. Remember that what we are here to do is to enjoy our lives, we can't fix everybody nor can we fix ourselves, but we can learn to get past our differences and be in the present of one another's presence without animosity or *hurt ego*. We can learn to be kind in the face of unkindness.
We can learn to love even those who hurt us, if one knows better (in that moment) imo, one does better (if one knows better.)
4. We're here to write poetry. If something upsets us, it's a simple thing to create a poem and *create* from the *destruction*, so to speak.
~A
KINGZOMBIE
Sun, 2011-02-27 11:21
And the cycle continues
The vicious circle shall complete itself again.I personally try to not attack in my poetry and I thought that was against the rules here, at least I thought it use to be.I thought my blog made perfect sense and it was meant with no malice.I didn't use his name, however everyone seemed to know who I was talking about.I am actually at a loss right now so I will end this with this, "NUTS"
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author commentlou
Sun, 2011-02-27 12:16
Anna
There isn't any point trying to reason with people that hold your opinion, so I say, I'm just gonna do my thing and ignore all this bull shit.
Lou
Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!
Candlewitch
Sun, 2011-02-27 18:17
Dear KZ
I, for one, am so glad that you are not thin skinned and that you are here. I agree with every word of what you have stated. Thanks for all the support and respect you have given me in the past.
always, Cat
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