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It has been suggested before to be required to leave at
least three comments before being eligible to post another
poem, I've never been for this idea but times change and
I believe we need this now. I'd even like to see it go further,
a required actual critique ... what say you members?

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I'm behind this idea 100%. There are various kinds and levels of poets and I am of the opinion that we should be prepared to help any and all of them. For those who wish to come in and get an ego boost or notices for a piece of their work, ok, we can do that. The only thing they've gained is any advice and some attention. I would wager that we see more of them than anybody else.
There are three areas that anyone who aspires to be a poet or writer can benefit from what Neopoet offers: 1.) Read, Read, READ! as much poetry as you can. Read the masters, read your peers, slowly learn how effects that struck you were accomplished. Read as a writer would, with an eye for technique. 2.) Ask for help from a mentor if you feel you need help. The second part of this is that if you are a seasoned poet and are asked for mentorship please do it if at all possible. Part 3 is my failing, to ritualize writing. I'm lucky to turn out 3 or 4 poems a week now. The rest is mostly craft and raw material.
Another point, don't box yourself in. If you write iambic pentameter, try a free form once in a while. If free-form is your favorite, try a monotetra, a Rondeau. Explore the world of poetry, because when your voice comes to you, you'll have as much technical craft as you can.

And guess what, part of the aforementioned "thinking like a writer", that's where your critiquing comes in. Look at other's work and state what you like, what you don't, and why. You do this for a few months and you will have grown exponentially as a poet. Don't be afraid of what they'll say, they will be glad to discuss their work with as much detail as you could stand.

New poets, you have an opportunity here to access resources of a college or even graduate college level. I urge you to use us. As any teacher would readily tell you: Students teach us as much as we teach them. You don't have to do it alone. Neopoet and it's vast array of various styles of poets are here for you. Neopoet as a whole and me(Ron BlueDemon77) as an individual welcome you. We await you with open arms.

Ron

BlueDemon77

Blue Demon77

"What I want is to be what I was before the knife,
before the brooch pin, before the salve, fixed me in this parenthesis:
Horses fluent in the wind. A place, a time gone out of mind."

The Eye Mote-Sylvia Plath

Excellent points made here Sir.

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The problem I see with requiring a real critique is that somebody would have to read All commentary and then decide what is and isn't critique. This would be quite a load even for a committee of 3-4 people. Now this could maybe be side stepped by requiring a comment to be of a certain length to count. This would require enough thought by a reader to maybe insure that at least a bit of real help would be in each response.

Instead of "I loved this" maybe "I loved this because of the imagery ". not much help but at least a little. As to requiring 2-4 comments before posting, I'm all for it and expect it could easily be handled without need of a critique committee....................stan

Yes, I believe requiring three actual critiques would mean
reformatting much, but it could be done. Instead of having
advocates that only have the badge, we could give them a
job, when the count reached three they would be informed,
could go over the comments and decide. It would also ensure
that we only have committed advocates.

But in the meantime, what could be done with little problem is
to have at least three comments made before members are able
to post, most people wouldn't have any problem with this, and
those that did would just have to do it or not post. Neopoet is
primarily a workshop, I think this would be a step in that direction.

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Rather than a means of learning and teaching we are looking at it as a chore. I disagree with that assessment. If learn a lot from critique.

Ron

Blue Demon77

"What I want is to be what I was before the knife,
before the brooch pin, before the salve, fixed me in this parenthesis:
Horses fluent in the wind. A place, a time gone out of mind."

The Eye Mote-Sylvia Plath

I've learned more by giving critique than receiving it.

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I agree !!

I hate to think that Poets are so selfish as to not feel
they should just extend the common courtesy of at least
a few comments per submission, it's not much to ask and
it would really help each of us in the long run.

What do you say Members???

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So let's agree right now to require 3-4 comments before posting. We can give this a bit of time and see if people get tired of just commenting and begin to give Real feed back. Then later we can think about requiring real critique.

I think it might well take too much time for the advocates to police critique especially as the number of members grows. Perhaps have the writers decide whether a comment is a critique and have a key they could hit when they do so? Advocates could be involved only when dispute arose as to what is and isn't critique. Pretty clear that this critique requirement warrants a lot more discussion......................stan PS to Beau " why join a workshop community then refuse to workshop" I believe that many here who might never join a formal shop nor give in depth critique still learn by reading others' poetry and commentary. Kinda like auditing a class

I tend to agree. I don't want to police
each comment and wouldn't ask others
to do something I'm not willing to do
myself. I think we should keep it at
the number three ... people that don't
offer real critique will be apparent but
it really shouldn't exclude them from
posting a poem. I think it will work out
in the long run very well for most.

just my opinion

Richard

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Since this duffer-poet doesn't even own a computer, and since finding an aforementioned machine is not the easiest thing in a state that is almost a thousand miles from corner to corner (Montana), and nobody has followed up on my training period, all this is way up there, over the rainbow head of a neopoet neophyte. But it might work if you factor in the outliers rather than only the incrowd.

I'm not sure how to help you, I
wish I could do more than offer
my extended hand but I'm in no
position.

Also not sure what you mean by
training period, have you asked for
mentoring you didn't receive?

Next time you're online, leave me
another message please, I really
do want to help.

Richard

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Loved will be like a croaking frog
come have a free ride on my back ..
soon I would have lost
all interest in Neo

the moon shall continue to shine
as much as Loved
would continue to whine

jess will have no need of time
then to search gems of mine..

You must think of all in yours
and
others mind
ere you such a rule design
with all decisions I am fine
deaf and blind
by natural divine

The three comments aren't meant
to be on one poem, that would defeat
the purpose although it would most
likely count (not sure on that one so
don't quote me).
You won't have a problem, you love to
talk, some may have difficulty, but you,
I don't think so.

If we were to try it I'm sure it would
be changed if members hated it.
That's the reason for the blog
to receive members thoughts, so
thank you.

Richard

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twill be a boon
I shall stand besides
if not aside
along with you
a great favour you will do

but note when some one doesn't get a comment
one can do so on his own
and the committee wouldn't know
just try
moon is out tonight

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