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Cliches and their use

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Program description/goal: 

Description:

Leader: China Blue(Chrys)
Moderator(s): Ziggy(Enda)
Race_9togoJim)
Yenti(Ian)
Candlewitch(CAT)
Bonitaj(Boni)
Objectives:To learn how to break the use of cliches. To write and post a poem that does not contain a cliche

Level of expertise: Open to all

Subject matter:
Each participant will offer at least three(3) cliches
(this may vary in accordance with the number of participants)

A list of submitted cliches will be made( participants will keep the list)
Participants will then compose a poem USING ALL OF THE CLICHES SUBMITTED

After reviewing the poems briefly by each participant

A poem will be composed
using the cliche poem as an outline
RE_Write your poem substituting each cliches for Your OWN words

We

will then review those poems and each participant will post their re written poem to the STREAM
When" 06June-
Where OLympic Workshop
#of participants 10+ ( depending on response to workshop)

How to sign up:
PM me China Blue here on Neo Poet

All participant will abide by the General workshop guidelines

Respect each other and their view
Do not harass each other
No personal attacks

Length: 
14 days
Number of participants (limit): 
10 people
Skill level: 
Date: 
Monday, June 20, 2011 to Monday, July 4, 2011

Comments

I sent you pm also. I would like to have a go at this one.

Thank you and hope all is well by you.

Sounds very helpful, I'll pm you

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

Chrys,

count me in!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

I'm here!

always, Cat

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Hello I am unable to partake at this time for a possible surgery to arm coming up. I will be reading but cannot do this now. Maybe another time.

Blessings
Mona

Sounds good

Respectfully, Race

"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo

Let's play!

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

It may sound funny and needless, but what is a cliche, and when does an expression become one? Does it need to exist across cultures?

No verse is free for the man who wants to do a good job. - TS Eliot

http://www.wsgeorge.com/

take a look here, and you'll know:

http://www.clichesite.com/alpha_list.asp?which=lett+1

Respectfully, Race

"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo

1-"it's all good'
2-"keep it on the down low"
3-'it ain't nothing but a chicken wing"

Eddie

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

1. Hot to trot
2. A mile a minute
3. Too many cooks spoil the broth

always, Cat

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1) silence is golden
2) Free as a bird
3) love is blind

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

1. A necessasary evil
2. All hands to the pump
3. The lesser of two evils

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

here are my three:

1. Acid test
2. Scarce as hen's teeth
3. The icing on the cake
I have all posted recorded, I am waiting for Ian's and Will's lists.

Respectfully, Race

"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo

I'm game.
rotten to the core
a rolling stone gathers no moss

count me in!

~A

I'm not used to such stuff

Can i be like a voyeur?
Viewing from heaven,
Cliché or not I'll present it
Like a seventh year itch.

Will the leader voice out please.
Send me a pm,
If,you all this doesn't displease.
Loved

loved

Loved,

this is a workshop and is for particiapnts only.

If you wish to be involved, simply PM Chrys and she will add you as a participant.

It is not really appropriate for you to just add comment in this workshop, as Chrys has to focus on the participants only.

Join, what harm can be done, you are most welcome and you may enjoy it.

Kind regards,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

I HAD THEM I HAD THEM!
Jotted

Respectfully, Race

"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo

got them!

"I'm ready Eddie", and that is also a cliche. hahaha!

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

Chrys,

is there a prize for the best three?...because all three of mine are really good and I like prizes!

LOL!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Your prize is more work, the gift that keeps on giving LMAO!

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

Chrys,

it arrived today!

i have flicked through both books quickly and haven't yet tackled the CD's. Will read the books properly this evening.

I'll email you properly tomorrow...but you are right, that package was more than a prize.

I thank you & Lonnie,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Just checkin' in to let you know I'm here.

always, Cat

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And responds, please be courteous
And reply in kind, thanks.

Did I hear someone say prizes ? I love prizes !!! My three are winners LOL !!

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

they said fries not prize.
silly you.

(I think she beleived me, now to get Dan out the way. mohahaha!)

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

You can't fool me lmao.

Lou

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Chrys,

got it, onto it,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Here mine,
Cliche, cliche, and cliche!
Wow, look I wrote the winning poem. LMFAO
Sorry, just kidding guys
To work on the winner I go!

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

Chrys,

I copied the list and wrote my poem and only had 25 cliches?...your list had 25 so which one have I missed out?

It's all good
Keep it on the downlow
It ain't nothing but a chicken wing
Hot to trot
A mile a minute
To many cooks spoil the broth
Silence is golden
Free as a bird
Love is blind
A necessary evil
All hands to the pump
The lesser oftwo evils
Acid test
Scarce as hen's teeth
The icing on the cake
I'm game
Rotten to the core
A rolling stone gathers no moss
Like a seven year itch
Keep your nose to the grindstone
Knock it out of the park
Knock the cover off the ball
Age before beauty
Fresh as a summer's rain
Deeper than the deepest ocean

My poem is called Acid Test and can be found here:

http://new.neopoet.com/node/4726

regards,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

I'm confused, if there are 8 enrolled in this workshop that would make 24 cliches at 3 per person. For 9 participants there should be 27 entered. (I make 9) Is the list considered to be complete, now?

Can you un-confuse me?

always. Cat

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Assuming that there are no more than the following 8 participants (out of 10):

Hooded Stranger
magics02
lou
Eduardo Cruz
Race_9togo
William Saint George
Kailashana
loved

That would bring the numbers the cliche nos. to 24... Assuming that 2 more of the leaders would submit to the challenge, that would bring the numbers to 30.

However, since Dan, Yenti and I already submitted our cliche poems, that point would seem to be moot.

~A

Can be found here:

http://new.neopoet.com/node/4731

(Thanks Anna)

always, Cat

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Is called Life

And can be found here http://new.neopoet.com/node/4732

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

Here is my three cliches

cry me a river
can't have your cake and eat it too
the best of two worlds

my poem is on the way

*Collaborative Poetry Workshop* American Version of Japanese Poetry ~ Renga ~ Haiku, Senyru, Tanka.

Neopoet Community

Here is the link to my poem
http://new.neopoet.com/node/4733

*Collaborative Poetry Workshop* American Version of Japanese Poetry ~ Renga ~ Haiku, Senyru, Tanka.

Neopoet Community

Call me a dim wit but do we have to make the poem personal, but continue to use the clichés or do we change the clichés in order to make it personal. LOL!!!!

Lou (aka dim wit)

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

Thanks

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

Thanks Ian

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

There's a pool going on who will kill you first, but we all agree that it will happen after the workshop. Hahaha!
(Can you feel the bulls-eye on your head)

Fast Eddie

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

would be glad to know what is expected in a re-write...for example i have posted a poem in which i believe i have used all the cliches listed for this workshop...i am wondering how i would re-write it..when honestly writing it the first time in itself was quite challenging :)

raj (sublime_ocean)

I will send you the list of cliches you must make a poem with useing every one of them. Then post it on the stream . put on the title with the name Cliches workshop be sure to check the workshop option.
Eddie
PS OH yeah, PM Chrys that you want in. it's not to late.

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

welcome aboard..you are not alone even i joined this pool only yesterday...so get into your swim suit get on the board and dive into the Olympic pool...aussies are known to be good at it in the olympics..lol...

much love...

raj (sublime_ocean)

i am sure you will be able to have a great time...will look forward to your submission...

raj (sublime_ocean)

pardon me if you misunderstood my comment to JayCee..by "submission" i meant submission of her workshop poem ..However, if you are just kidding me then I take back my apologies ...it wont help if you drain the pool it will be such a lot of waste of water hehehe.

raj (sublime_ocean)

Hi dear good Ian...

i too was pulling your leg and appreciated your humor...good to see the confidence you and Eddie have about winning this workshop competition....i will be there at the winner's podium to clap while you guys take a victory lap and do a snoopy dance hehe...

raj (sublime_ocean)

Welcome Seren she has decided to join us, Another victim of the cliches. LMAO!

Eddie

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

Eddie is on his way as we speak, he's on his water wings,

yours truly,
Murder Incorporated

Vitto

LIFE ISN'T ABOUT WAITING FOR THE STORM TO PASS
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO DANCE IN THE RAIN.
VIVIAN GREENE

Hi all

my Re-write can be found here http://new.neopoet.com/node/4767

Read it and weep , or do I mean read it and i'll weep ? LOL !!!!

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

Can be found here:

http://new.neopoet.com/node/4786

always, Cat

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And responds, please be courteous
And reply in kind, thanks.

Chrys,

Re-write and original:

http://new.neopoet.com/node/4726

regards,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

for those who wish to critic my poem "silencing the Owl in the Meadows" the link to this re-write is

http://new.neopoet.com/node/4769

raj (sublime_ocean)

will do

lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

original and re write
http://new.neopoet.com/node/4795

*Collaborative Poetry Workshop* American Version of Japanese Poetry ~ Renga ~ Haiku, Senyru, Tanka.

Neopoet Community

My Votes are already dropped in the Ballot Box as i pin in this 100th comment on this page which in itself is indicative of the success of this workshop in terms of interactiveness..congratulations to you and your gang.....

raj (sublime_ocean)

have you got done with the count of votes?..where have you or are you gonna put up the results?...i am eager to applaud the winners....

raj (sublime_ocean)

Thank you Chrys for the update on voting

raj (sublime_ocean)

Ian,

since Chrys has asked us to vote, it would be right for us to honour that request. Your opening comment "There is no need to vote on anything in the workshop"..is going to cause confusion between the participants.

Chrys is the leader and has asked us to vote, so vote we should since we agreed to comply with the syllabus.

Afterall, the voting is a fun element and has been the catalyst for the banter seen so far in the workshop. Also, you stand a very good chance of winning and we all like prizes!! and it will really upset Eddie if you do!! LOL!

I totally agree with everything else you've said and am pleased to know the exceptional Poetry Forms has included some of what we have discussed during the workshop.

Kind regards,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Can I vote for me? lol.

Dan, these workshops have been fun and informative, good *practice*... May Neopoet's new image shine on!!!!

~A

Anna,

I am really pleased how all the workshops have started off, the first round was a little bumpy, but we all stuck at it and made it work. The second round has been equally as fun, and like you said "informative".

The proof in the pudding will be making it an on-going sucess, and that falls on all of us.

Thanks for the encouraging support.

No you can't vote for yourself, because you must vote for me!

LOL!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Oh, curses foiled again! (spoken in Snidely Whiplashism)

http://bullwinkle.toonzone.net/snidely.htm

I can do a pirate impression quite well, but not sure I can do a Snidely thingy!!

LOL!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Chrys,

my poem can be found here:

http://new.neopoet.com/node/4824

ooooh aaaahhhh me hearties! (quick pirate impression! for Anna & Chrys)

regards,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

On the 27 of June I sprained my right wrist by banging it into a doorknob. I have been off-line for a couple of days nursing it with ice packs and a brace. I'm now back, using the one handed hunt and peck method of typing. I will try to catch up with all the entrys.

always, Cat

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Take care Cat and get well soon and back to best cheer...

much love and best wishes...

raj (sublime_ocean)

Glad you are back.

Lou

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Cat,

I know you are ok because Steve told me, but how's the doorknob?...doorknobs have feelings too!

LMFAO!

HS

ps. glad you are ok.

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

i have been a good citizen and exercised my franchise a few days back...looks like i am out of the race and look forward to applaud the winners....it has been a lot of fun and great experience to participate in this thoughtfully designed workshop....

my best wishes to those who are running neck to neck...i am not breaking my neck now that i know i am not in that pool...lol...

raj (sublime_ocean)

Raj,

not everyone has voted yet...so you could still win this yet!

regards,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Thank you Dan for the encouraging comment...i am not discouraged because regardless of the results it was a good experience to be a part of this workshop...and a learning experience..

regards...

raj (sublime_ocean)

Hey Raj!

Some of us have to make do with the fact that regardless of ability or not, in the end it's still a vote for the most popular. And sometimes the poems win. ;-)

~A

Anna,

a popularity contest...oh damn! I wish I hadn't been so rude to everybody now!

Lol!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Chrys,

sorry can't stop to comment, am too busy sending apology PM's!...there are so many to write!!

LOL!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Thanks to the workshop, for me the winning moment arrived when i could get out of a state of inertia enticed by the cliche bug...so i am already blowing my own trumpet...lol....

raj (sublime_ocean)

full marks for innovation....a shake of my head for your stealth ....a grin for blowing your own trumpet ..you get my vote for the best pranks...lol.. well done though for designing a trophy w\to keep all the tomatoes hurled at you..lol..

raj (sublime_ocean)

I have stolen the cup, it's in my cupboard LOL!!

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

SSSSHHHH

don't let Dan know he has the fake one LMAO!!

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

that's a good one Lou..but know what?..ladies can't keep their secrets...lol..

raj (sublime_ocean)

simple..ask Chrys!! lol...

raj (sublime_ocean)

What do you mean this cup I have is a fake?...I have been parading it around the City this morning on an open topped bus, unfortunately nobody came out to watch me, but my dog was impressed!

I should win the prize anyway, because it's my birthday, and I wanz it! (quick Lord of the Rings impression there!)

Any way, I am keeping the cup, fake or not, My precious!

HS (wearing a Gollum outfit)

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

JayCee,

I just read it, what a surprise, I left a suitable comment of course - thanks mate,

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Your Gollum outfit? Got a mental image now !!!! ooh no LOL!!

Still not getting the real cup back lmao!!

Lou

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Lou,

LOL!

yes bad image I painted there, sorry!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Ian,

that cup you have looks fake to me.

Is that your bedpan?

lol!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Nah, Dan, it's a spittoon... he won that...................

;-)

~A

LOL!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

this Cup mania is really getting out of control...keep your wits about yourselves guys lest you get a shock come Monday!! :)..it could very well end up with just a certificate from Chrys reading "Thank You Folks for messing around with the Cliches and then cleaning up the garbage"...lol..

raj (sublime_ocean)

Ian has kidnapped the cup, that picture is too proove he has it. He'll be asking for ransom next LOL!!

Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

whom are we to clap for as winners of both forms? i remember your saying Cat is way ahead in the first race which she is worthy of ..who is the other one? i hope its one of Ian..Eddie or Dan who have been going nuts ...could be a tie amongst those three..lol....

regards...

raj (sublime_ocean)

Hi Chrys..

Thanks for this update....Cat certainly is a worthy winner...i thought you had said there would be two contest 1 for the poem with Cliches and 1 for the one without use of cliches....so who is the winner of the 2nd contest or did she win both?...

i once again wish to thank you and your team for successfully conducting this exercise..it was a pleasure to participate in it...

raj (sublime_ocean)

thanks for the confirmation Chrys...glad to know this..

raj (sublime_ocean)

You are a worthy winner...and its no wonder you won handsomely too..it would be a treat to read your poem to be showcased in the Newsletter..

raj (sublime_ocean)

Thanks for a great workshop.

Big congrats to Cat

Love Lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

It's rigged I tell you this contest was rigged from the get-go! And not even to be mentioned! Honourably or not! Harumphf!

And double Harumphf! Curses! Foiled again!

~A

p.s. I may have to go over to the dark side!

It was a joke Chrys, I was following Ian's lead. I know where he hid the cup. ;-)

~A

What!

Cat wins!

I have already prepared my winners speech and everything!

At keast I have access to the newsletter, it would be a shame if I accidentally added my poem to the newsletter and not Cat's!!

LOL!

Well done Cat, and well done everyone, it was fun indeed.

Thanks Chrys for another well organised workshop.

I'm ready for the next one.

regards,

HS

ps. so pleased Ian didn't win, we would have never heard the last of it!! LOL!

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Does that mean I have to give the real cup back?

lou

Stand tall, be proud to be who you are, give the world the finger!!!!

For your congrats. I'm sorry I couldn't be here for the second half, due to an accident. I banged my wrist into a doorknob and sprained it, making it very hard to type in a brace. Not to mention pain... pain is a good deterrent. Thanks again. I am better now.

always, Cat

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cat,

sorry you hurt your hand...hopefully it was your writing hand so you'll be out of action during Chrys's next workshop allowing the rest of us to win something in your absence!!

LOL!

Good to have you back and congratulations!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

...Cat knows I am joking.

But that said, can we ban her from future workshops until I win something?

LOL!

HS

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

Daniel!!, when anyone calls me Daniel, I know I am in trouble!!

LOL!

HS (Dan not Daniel as I am on my best behaviour today)

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With all that I am and all that I could be, I walk this earth, yet nobody sees me.

I know y'all are joking me :)

always, Cat

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Whazzamatter Ian, Cat got your tongue?

;-)

~A

i was looking out for announcement of the new workshop...thought it would be here but it is not..could you tell me about it please...

raj (sublime_ocean)

thanks for the update...i hope the storm has eased now...

raj (sublime_ocean)

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