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WHY IS FREE FORM PREVALENT TODAY?

I guess this is really about two things.The first is the question of whether you write mainly for yourself and other poets. Nothing wrong with doing so, but if your answer is yes then the rest of this is probably of no interest to you and I appreciate your having read this far. I have brought this old subject back so the newer members can have a chance to air out their opinions on this.

If you think we write mainly for general readers, then I pose this question: Is the prevalence of free form in modern poetry the result of a goal to make poetry easier to write or easier to read? I think you all know I write mainly in western classic, but I also dabble in other forms, so this question is not intended to be judgmental.It is asked only to get you to examine the motive behind your own choice of preferred poetry form. To be fair I will freely say that I chose rhyme and meter because, at least for me, it seems the hardest form to write in. Of course I also realize good free form is no picnic either. So look inside yourself and let's hear your motivations...........stan

You said
"it seems that traditional forms and structures have not had their day so much
as there isn't any more variations on that "theme" without us having to fall
into cliché or plagiarism. There are only several thousand words in the English
language, fewer still are used daily (conversationally) and if rhyming were to
be accounted for, even fewer still."

I understand this to mean you think that because the English language contains few words there are only so many variations of word juxtaposition and sentence construction possible so that its all been done before such that no-one can say anything new and that anything now said is "cliche or plagiarism".
I hope that you are just taking the piss and that I have fallen into your trap so that the joke's on me.
In case you are serious I suggest you take the trouble to understand the development of the English language - a good start would be "The Stories of English" by David Crystal (Allen Lane Penguin Books).
To use an analogy from painting you appear to be saying that because there are only so many oil paint colours you cannot now paint an original painting because its all been done before.
There are about one million English words (far more than German or French for example) arising from Scandinavian, Germanic, Latin, French, Celtic and many other influences (not least of which would be the great inventiveness of the American English) most of which are usable one way or another, not to mention the opportunities afforded by the mongrel structure of the grammar and the resonance of words when woven into a pattern.
As regards free form poetry, the phrase "free form" implies "without rules" - this is a definition I got from Google -
"Free form poetry is the act of words that have no adhering confinements to a plan, layout or rhyming structure. A pattern or composition may arise in some lines but this is not a condition that defines free form poetry."
That's as may be, but unless you are plucking words at random out of a dictionary and stringing them together by then plucking them out of a hat (even then some of the juxtapositions may make poetical sense), your poetry must by definition have structure imposed on it by the very words you use because you are building something that at least has meaning to you, the writer, whether or not anyone else understands it.
I submit that in poetry there is no such thing as an archaic word - just one that you don't happen to understand - moreover, as Shakespeare (among quite a few others) has demonstrated you can invent words, phrases and constructions to suit your purpose. This process is happening to the English language all the time as evidenced by the many hundreds of new words that get into English dictionaries annually.

I think its fair to say that there are many different opinions on why people write in the style that they do, but I think it all comes down to what the individual is comfortable with.I believe that every topic of every poem weather classic or freeform is a puzzle of words just waiting to be put together in a way that does the intended topic justice.I also like the idea of writing in the different styles since I am ignorant to other forms and would like to learn them.

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"For what is it to die, But to stand in the sun and melt into the wind?"

The few excursions I've made outside of western classic seem to have helped me improve my appreciation for other forms and actually led to an improvement in my classic writes( I think). The only way to begin trying is to begin. If you need help, just ask it of others here who you think write well in the form you want to try...........stan

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I write mainly for myself at first. Then, when I'm happy with a write, I'm glad to show it to anyone who cares to read it, and receive any suggestions and critiques. I'm not sure why this matters to the next question.

I write mainly rhyming, metered poems because that's what I prefer. I think some poets, but not many, choose to write in freeform because they find it easier. As others have mentioned, fashions change. To some extent it's just a cycle. Also, people have been writing rhyming and metered poems for milleniae, and have recited them for an even longer time. I think Cryptic Bard has a big part of the answer, freeform makes it easier not to repeat what's already been done. That doesn't mean it's easier to write a good poem. "Bad" freeform and "good" freeform are just as "bad" or "good" as "bad"structured writes and "good" structured writes. (Of course not everyone shares my view of "good" or "bad".)

I'm presently working on some writes that were originally rhyming and very structured, for which I felt that I had a great concept but with a horrible result. I was forcing the rhyme and meter, resulting in atrocious imagery. As I rewrite them to freeform or blank verse, the goals I set are different but no less challenging. I try to have the strongest imagery possible, without bothering to rhyme, and sometimes count syllables, but while still doing something with a musical quality.

So, to answer your question. I mostly write in rhyming, metered verse because I have a preference for it. The starting point for many of my writes is a few lines that rhyme, and I work from there. I think this stems from much of my inspiration coming from music, my taste for rhyme, and my classical music background. Sometimes I write freeform because I feel like doing something different. Sometimes it's a way for me to try and save a good idea.

Antoine

I was beginning to wonder what had happened to you ! I have also run into a few write that seem near impossible to put to rhyme. A good example is "Issaqueena's Run" a semi-epic I have posted 2 parts of. I seem to have reached a roadblock in repetition due to its length. It's good of you to share your ideas on this subject of motivation with us............stan

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Can anyone recite a poem, right now, in freeform - from memory?
I bet we can all recite classical poetry from the old masters.
Rhyme and metre are the two nails that poems hang from on the inside of your head. They are set out along the corridors of your memory and hang clear of the detritus on the floor.

Ian

TIME FLIES LIKE AN ARROW, BUT FRUIT FLIES LIKE A BANANA

I can't even recite my OWN free verse from memory lol. Would be nice to be around in 50-60 years to see if pendulum has swung back wouldn't it?. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts here..........stan

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It's not that difficult to understand. When we were children, that which we read and had to memorize or was read to us stands the test of time. That which we read in our *golden years* unless some simple uncomplicated rhyme or haiku does not compute, at least for me.

However, the young of today can recite their rhyme in slam poetry. Here's Shane Koyczan - We Are More which he recited for the 2010 Olympics from Vancouver, Canada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsq68qRexFc

~A

p.s. Music which is mostly rhyme, is often remembered easily, no matter the age... it seems when music is associated with words... the neurons fire more readily in the mathematics of language...music.

I think memory of poetry has a lot to do with repetition and a set beat. This just happens to be more prevalent in western classic form than in most other forms. Do you think this may be why free verse so often is powerful, yet classic is what most remember ? Oh well. I hope to one day become one who writes as well in free verse as any other, but expect classic to remain my first choice. Appreciate the "address" and reckon I'll go listen to it now...............stan

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The extent of my formal education in poetry consists of about 2 weeks as a senior in high school in 1972. I long ago decided to listen to anybody who gave advice in anything, consider it, then do what I thought best. After all in the end we are the ones who have to live with the consequences lol. I hope you haven't taken this blog to be me trying to force anybody to write in rhyme. It was and is intended solely to give people pause to consider the motivation behind choosing a particular form. I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us...........stan

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I kept seeing that blog had gotten another response. I'd go to reply and see nothing new. This idjut just now saw PAGE 2 lol. We highly trained poets Can learn can't we?..............stan

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and to me it brings it back to who we write for.
Memorization was, repeat WAS, a function of poetry but not any more. Who amongst us doesn't recognise the lines
" This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper. "
"The Hollow Men" is freeform at it's astounding best, and that is the keyword for me, astounding. It is no longer our function to be memorised like the 10 times table, we, as my signature says, and is printed on the Neopoet T shirts ...

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Good point. I hope I haven't been taken to say one form is superior to another. If you write for impact only it is hard to beat free verse. If you write to be remembered then rhyme may have an edge. I have gotten to where I use free verse a bit (not too well I fear) so I see the advantages of both. I still wonder in 60 years how much free verse people will be able to recall from this time.............stan

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Certainly the greats of freeform I predict will still be being read and enjoyed, but only traditional memorised

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Danny Kaye sang the song in the film;

"The king is in the altogether and alltogether he's naked as the day that he was born "
Anyway, guys, the art world has shot itself in the foot so often in the past century it is a wonder that anyone pays any attention to the pundits and style-setters.
Write what you feel you must, and do it as best as you can.

Ian

TIME FLIES LIKE AN ARROW, BUT FRUIT FLIES LIKE A BANANA

good advice indeed.................stan

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Thank you. What an example of the way a spoken poem can clarify and punctuate meaning. It also shows how rhyme can be used to enhance free verse and how near rhyme can at times be better than rhyme.thanks again...........stan

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for all that and all that, a poet's a poet for all that. I would give credit to who I just paraphrased if I could remember who it was ( maybe Burns?).................stan

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this blog has grown far beyond my expectations. I am glad you and so many others have enjoyed it and participated...............stan

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and informative forum with a bit more vigour and gusto.

Yes, I do think there is an adversarial element here and yes I come down firmly on the side of free verse.

Both inexperienced and more experienced poets can express themselves more vividly, freely, memorably (not necessarily memorisably) and originally in free verse without the severe pitfalls of cliche and mangling language for rhyme and meter inherent in classic forms.

I would encourage everyone to experiment with classic forms to hone your word-crafting skills, to be able to use those skills where appropriate to convey meaning and impact, to challenge your reader, make them think, feel, do. Rather than just paint a pastoral or love-cliched watercolour. We need to ask ourselves why do we write? What effect/affect do we want to have on our readers? Do we care?

In the terminology of Marshall Macluhan poetry is the "hottest" or most participatory of all media as opposed to television, the "coldest" and most passive. The mere existence of poetry is questioned in a world of cold, passive media so I say let's make every word count! Kick 'em in the groin and make 'em think about why you did it.

We are grown-ups and the last thing we need is lullabies or Hallmark.
What we and the world needs is, as Salman Rushdie put it
"A poet's work,
to name the unnameable,
to point at frauds,
to take sides,
start arguments,
shape the world
and stop it going to sleep"
[this quote is on the Neopoet Tshirt]

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Two sides of the same page. When I write free form it is mainly to enhance my skills at rhyme. Nothing like a good go at free verse to remind a writer a poem is about the message not the form. Actually in my opinion the best of both forms contain elements of the other.Frost never let syllable count or exact rhyme interfere with what he had to say, and some of the best free verse I've read here did not fear using using rhyme for reinforcement. Oh yeah, sometimes we DO need hallmark lol.........................stan

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absolutely!
But we never, ever, ever need Hallmark!
"Romance is dead, it was bought in a hostile takeover by Hallmark and Disney, broken up and sold off piece by piece" Lisa Simpson.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Free verse I think may be a modernism thing brought about with the 50's and their predisposition to Beat poetry and messages being the subliminal result of that. Indeed Bukowski himself wrote more reality than most yet it related to people at the time and I think free verse tends to lend itself to raw, realism and of course the spoken word. Read aloud by the person who has lived the poem or at least has seen in reality what the poem is about brings about an emotional response from people. I admit that rhyme can also be beautiful but it's not as easy to steer away from cliche in rhyme as it is in free verse. Both have their place, it comes down to a personal preference and how you feel comfortable writing yourself.

Chez
"The perfect woman perpetrates literature as she does a small sin: as an experiment, in passing, to see if anybody notices it - and to makes sure that somebody does." - Nietzsche

This is not a criticism, please do not take it as such.

While I agree that much of poorly written rhymed poetry is little more than cliche, the same can be said for 90% of free verse.

The thing that I have never understood, and I am not saying you have done this, is the dismissal of a genre just for being in that genre. After all Fiction includes both Tale of Two Cities and the latest Harlequin romance. Fantasy includes Dragonlance books and the works of Tolkien. It's rarely the genre that decides worth and that is my issue with modern proponents of free verse or nothing.

They state, flatly, that anything that is not free verse is undesirable, manufacturing justification for this stance with buzz-words and pseudo intellectual generalizations geared toward cowing thought engaging in reasoned discourse.

In my life there is room for an eclectic mix of poetry, just as there is room for an eclectic mix of any art. And if I prefer alternative music and Impressionist art and structured verse, it does not mean I demean other styles or genres, just that I have a preference. The failure is those people who look at any preference in abeyance with theirs as an insult and a challenge to all they have decided is right and good for everyone.

These people will defend a steaming pile of shit over a well crafted work on the grounds the pile of shit is superior because it filled the necessary check boxes and this shows they are less concerned with art than conformity and, in my opinion, neither to be trusted nor taken seriously.

But that's just me and I am a man of strong opinions but, after all, it's just opinion and no more valid than any other.

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Jonathan Moore

I take no offence Jonathan, I am an Aussie lol it takes a lot to upset us lot :) I agree with you on your points, there are a lot of cliched free verse also but also a lot of people that perhaps should take up tiddlywinks rather than serious poetry. Now I am no expert but the poorly spelled examples I Have viewed and the 'emo' cutters I warrant are great therapy perhaps but as true poets trying to refine their craft? I doubt it. In truth my most favorite poem of all time is Elizabeth Barrett Browning's 'How Do I love Thee' simply for the beautiful flow and meter and the quite obvious emotion and feelings she put into it.. lol but don't spread that around for old Buk might turn in his grave and I will deny it :P

Chez
"The perfect woman perpetrates literature as she does a small sin: as an experiment, in passing, to see if anybody notices it - and to makes sure that somebody does." - Nietzsche

I can see you will be a valuable member of this site, the comments of yours I've read have been thoughtful and intelligent. Are you an old member returning under a new name? Just wondering. I'm another Aussie and will read your poems soon. I notice you've posted a lot in the last couple of days, that's fine for a new member, you haven't gone over the top, but we do try to restrict ourselves to one poem a day, to give everyone a chance to read and review thoughtfully.

My last post on this blog came down on the side of freeform, but, as I said, it does not exclude or deride classical forms. That would be just dumb prejudice. As jonathon said, to exclude any genre or form is to ignore the brilliance that can be achieved within ANY form.

I think these questions here are crucial. And too seldom asked. Why do we write? What effect/affect do we want to have on our readers? Do we care?

One thing for everyone who attempts meter is that is NOT about syllable counting, one really needs to hear the words out loud, several un-stressed syllables can often count for a single foot of meter.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

Thanks, I don't believe in harsh criticism that may bash a poet who is only just starting to appreciate the art of it all, nor would I exclude any form either, the fact I am a free verse contemporary writer is because it suits my style I've adapted and the poets I've most enjoyed all my life, mainly for their sheer reality of writing and accessibility. I am new here, I was recommended to join via another friend Sean who was on the old Neo site but had been on Allpoetry as had I. It was time to make the break and change for new challenges and new readers for when you develop a large favorite base it's hard to get them to tell you a poem is crap lol..I appreciate a good crit, done in good spirit. Plus Allpoetry is very large and the standard of good and above average poets has tended to drop with an influx of teens and children with a few of their policies not to my liking with policing the site. As we all know the net can be a dangerous place and even a poetry site is not untouchable. So far I am enjoying the change and the chance to be here from the second coming so to speak. I noticed I'd posted a few and I apologise for that, the time zones give me a headache sometimes. :)
I have nothing new in the works so it will be limited from now on as I have a series of poems I want to edit and will perhaps place them on the blog. Once I get them in order.
I like the fact there is good discussion here with varied opinions yet not perhaps the ones who on Allpoetry like to think they have been appointed Laureate.
Good natured discussion over things is a needed thing to keep learning and the person who says they know it all well...enough said ;)

Chez

Chez
"The perfect woman perpetrates literature as she does a small sin: as an experiment, in passing, to see if anybody notices it - and to makes sure that somebody does." - Nietzsche

and, like you, found there to be a few self-appointed "gods of crit" who, according to the rules, you are obliged to thank! Deary me.

We quite often erupt into controversy and name calling here (could you expect otherwise in a virtually un-regulated bunch of poets?), there are far less rules, but there is also far less serious crit. That can be helped by every individual committing to helping each other by being brave and generous enough to give crit and not just praise. In my 4 years here I've found the more serious crit that is given encourages others to do the same.

I have been guilty of "bash(ing) a poet who is only just starting" by being over-harsh. On the other hand I have more often been thanked for a much needed kick up the bum.

cheers,
Jess
A new workshop on the most important element of poetry-
'Rhythm and Meter in Poetry'
https://www.neopoet.com/workshop/rhythm-and-meter-poetry

A fascist state ruled by kevinism...yes I'd agree with that, also way too many loopholes in that 15 yr olds can view erotic and adult poems..which I am sure if he checks the 'media' laws it includes all websites that says 18 and over. So yes he does what he wants but when it's not important to him then it's let slip as is the many fakes posing on there as poets who have been eventually run out of Dodge as cyber trolls....Anyway, having said that, I have a few absolute real friends there who I have visited and stayed with in the USA and will be lifelong friends, it may be an Aussie thing to sort the flowers from the weeds. lol

Chez
"The perfect woman perpetrates literature as she does a small sin: as an experiment, in passing, to see if anybody notices it - and to makes sure that somebody does." - Nietzsche

Darn site getting thick with Aussies lol.Seriously though, welcome to the discussion.............stan

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Hello Stan and thank you, yes Aussies are like rabbits, with all the sun and surf we breed and multiply rather quickly, before you know it lol you have a plague :P

Chez
"The perfect woman perpetrates literature as she does a small sin: as an experiment, in passing, to see if anybody notices it - and to makes sure that somebody does." - Nietzsche

as usual. Really late! however, now that I am here... I have written free-form when the mood strikes me, and most people know that my main form is rhyme. I have also written a sonnet just recently. A Spencerian sonnet to be exact. I have been told that it was good. It was hard! I agree with Xena about we should write in whatever form floats our boats. To answer Stan's question; I write mostly rhyme because that's what floats my boat. I feel the cadence, the rhythm and it sets my mind to rolling along.
I love a play on words, and sometimes use that along with rhyme when I can. Free form just comes to me at times and I never know just when it will be. That is my answer to the question! ~ Geezer

There is value to commenting and critique, tell us how you feel about our work.
This must be the place, 'cause there ain't no place like this place anywhere near this place.

I can hardly believe this still has any life left lol. It is always good to know the reason for a particular writer's preference. We all have our reason(s) for our choices. I expect the reason I write mostly in rhyme is because I enjoy the challenge of trying to write in a restricted form. So far I have tried Haiku, sonnet, free verse, prose, poetic prose, acrostic, concrete, and western classic. Also invented parallel and rhyku. I think every time I try a new form it improves my preferred form...............stan

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an interesting question. For me, it isn't restictive. As a matter of fact it seems that it is the least restrictive. All the others that you mention, have rules that are sometimes puzzling and hard to follow. I do enjoy Haiku because I seem to be able to understand the rules better than some. Glad to see that you are still checking in on this once in awhile. ~ Gee

There is value to commenting and critique, tell us how you feel about our work.
This must be the place, 'cause there ain't no place like this place anywhere near this place.

The tough part of free verse to me is trying to maintain decent rhythm sans rhyme.........stan

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so I since then 7 decades
have composed freely
wished others too
to follow
who
no not me but their freedom
if any
sorry stan

I write mainly for myself in the sense of thinking and feeling through experiences. I wouldn't write, for example, a poem commemorating a new bridge if I didn't want to explore the experience. I write for others in the sense of trying to share that experience with others. I suppose the product is for everyone but the journey is for myself.

I may have answered this 10 years ago. If so, it will be interesting to see if my perspective has changed.

I don't know that making things easier to read or write was a goal. I think it is a human desire to want to do something different, to break free from some perceived chain. I write in both structured and free verse. Sometimes I write in structured verse from pure desire and other times, I do it to practice a skill exemplified in that structure. I come from a music background and sometimes you play Chopin to play Chopin and sometimes you play him to practice pedaling.

I think one of the toughest tasks in poetry is to think about your topic, your intended impact, and then choose the structure that fits best. I remember once reading that the sonnet's structure was like bars that restrained the passionate content within, giving the impression of a heart bursting. I wonder if the issue is really structure vs free verse as much as it is thoughtful planning vs. writing whatever comes to mind as it comes to mind.

I disagree if you are including GOOD free verse which in my opinion requires some poetic devices to avoid being mere chopped verse. But over the years it has become obvious to me that too many people claiming to write free verse (including myself) are in fact just posting chopped up prose.

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I brought this thread back so as to get YOUR ideas too. So let's hear them!

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A lot of popular rhyming poetry is found in children's books.
Could it be the reason rhyming poetry is considered childish by some people? It certainly makes the poem more interesting for children and easier to remember.
When Seuss was writing "Cat in the Hat", could it be that some literary group thought "Yikes! We certainly don't want our writing associated with THAT! Our work is serious!"
Or when Leer was writing silly limericks, did someone think.."hmm, quite novel, but literary nonsense. I will write something that takes true discipline to remember."

I will likely never recall free form pieces because there is no discernible pattern, almost like learning a language. Perhaps that was the original argument for free verse- because it is harder to absorb, that it takes much more discipline to recall the piece? I think not, but it is plausible.

Anyway, nowadays making something memorable and relatable has become even easier. Take one thought or sentence, break it into lines, and voila! An easily digestible and memorable neuropathic spark that can be cherished for at least ten minutes, or until you can untangle puberty.

I occasionally read (free verse) that has very beautiful lines, and like Tam the Chanter argued, could have been made truly memorable by applying discipline to transform it into a structured and rhyming form.

I think it all boils down to personal opinion/ preference, but my gut tells me that free verse, free form, whatever; is not laziness per se, but lacking in the discipline that it takes to write structured, rhyming work.

Thomas

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...so like my lost dreams...the flood

to answer your original question "why is free form more prevalent today" I have spent some of this time studying different forms of poetry and relative criticisms, weighing the merits of each, and I must opine that "the trend is leaning on lack of interest to gain the needed education and experience to bring the carrots, bouillon and meat together to create the best stew you can."
That's kinda the reason I joined here at first. It's about improving our own poetry as much as improving poetry in general as a community.
Looking at the state of "mass poetry" in general, I'd have to say it's seen better days.

Thomas

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...so like my lost dreams...the flood

I find myself with tears in my eyes, from sadness of people gone but still much missed, and gratitude, for their criticism, their sometimes brutal opinions, and how all of them helped me become a decent poet.

Respectfully, Race

"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo

It doesn't really matter if you write rhyming or freeform poetry. I do both, because one form helps to make the other stronger and more meaningfull to the audiance. Even if that audience is only yourself. What matters is that it's GOOD poetry, poetry that evokes something beautiful, terrifying, magical or timeless, in another person. LOL that list goes on and on. Without that, we might as well just pack our bags and walk away.

Respectfully, Race

"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo

Writing in either form well is no picnic . And in my opinion writing at least some in both will make any writer better in their preferred form. And yes whenever I go to an old blog or poem I get reminded of those who are now writing on another plane

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the same for me.

I see a leaf pressed between the leaves of a book
Fallen leaves, that fell from trees
I remember those poets and the lines it took
To bring me ideas, and me to my knees

To keen at the grave of friends gone by
Hear the piece of life they tried to tell
To listen for the truth in a wistful sigh
See the glisten of a tear in a wish for health

Some see it, some don't, I speak of truth
Wishing doesn't make it true, neither does memory
You cannot force a man to think of empathy
It just is...
~ Geezer.
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There is value to commenting and critique, tell us how you feel about our work.
This must be the place, 'cause there ain't no place like this place anywhere near this place.

Bad poetry is bad poetry, and should be treated as such, structured or not. It certainly feels as if Neopoet is becoming a site for ego-stroking, and not improving people's skills. This is why I intensely dislike reading a bad poem, then seeing that the author wants only moderate criticism, or that 'oh, I'm SO sensitive, please be gentle' garbage. This is Neopoet: we are SUPPOSED to be ruthless, when someone who thinks they are the cat's meow posts complete rubbish, then tells everyone to not criticize their drivel. It's why I seldom criticize poets that do not want raw truth. It has to be worth commenting on and criticizing, and the author has to want them, or its a waste of my time, and everyone else's. Leave your virtual ego at the door, and get better by listening to others. If you think you're too good to be criticized, you are in the wrong place. Go somewhere else, a site where they don't care how bad your poetry is, and make no effort to help you get better.

Respectfully, Race

"Laws and Rules don't kill freedom: narrow-minded intolerance does" - Race-9togo

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Race_9togo

"being a poet is cool".Those folks need to buy more poetry books. in the past ten years poetry books sales have only risen 17%, whereas Romance Novels have risen much more.

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on: "It certainly feels as if Neopoet is becoming a site for ego-stroking, and not improving people's skills." You've been on Neopoet for many years, and seen the waves come and go on it.

I simply do agree with you the Neopoet is a site to gain improvement of our poetic efforts on.

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