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insight (sonnet WS)
some say we’re just a freak of nature’s growth
that sentience is solely due to this
and rational, scientific brains are loath
to even contemplate a future bliss
they say that when we die we’re finished, past
from dust we come and so to dust return
there’s nothing in this world that’s made to last
and truth beyond, we simply can't discern
although, it’s true, from here has gone his spark
while sat in tranquil introspective thought
his love has borne me down that tunnel dark
and peaceful, blest illumination brought
I’ve met him where the mind and soul collides
my heart’s aware still he, somewhere, abides
Review Request (Intensity):
I want the raw truth, feel free to knock me on my back
Last few words:
sorry - I don't mean to flood the WS, but this dragged me out of bed last night in its insistance to be put down... i promise, this will be my last....
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Comments
alidzain
Sat, 2015-02-07 05:05
Hi Judy
a question. can you help me figure out the stressed parts in "introspective"? I thought it sounds like this "in/TROSPEC/tive" but in http://dictionary.reference.com/ its "in-truh-SPEK-tiv". not sure if the word alligns with the iambic form. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know which is the right one.
Alid
judyanne
Sun, 2015-02-08 04:44
hi Alid
IN -truh -SPECT -ive is how I have always said it
I checked the dictionary when I read your comment... seems that the 'in' isn't stressed - but I am making it so for this sonnet, as I feel it is said with a certain stress..
and it reads as such to me...
Thanks
love judy
xxx
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alidzain
Sun, 2015-02-08 05:10
So be it, then
I just wanna clear things out.
Alid
Rula
Sat, 2015-02-07 07:59
Hello judy
please bear with me. Just a busy weekend. Have to get out with the kids.
Hopefully will come to it tonight. I hope others will give it a visit as well.
YOUR THOUGHTS SHARKS ARE APPRECIATED (not shouting, just thinking) (((smiles)))
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raj
Sat, 2015-02-07 11:42
Judyanne
I liked the poetry and the theme. As for sonnet, I am not qualified to comment since I am not at all comfortable with this form.
Regards,
raj (sublime_ocean)
judyanne
Sun, 2015-02-08 04:46
you are too qualified Raj
I've seen you write iambic pentameter...
And, also, I know you know what a sonnet is :)
I'm very glad you liked this
Thank you
Love judy
xxx
'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
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raj
Sun, 2015-02-08 05:20
Judyanne
I have tried one more time and expressed what obsession is doing for me...rather getting me undone...lol..
Regards,
raj (sublime_ocean)
Rula
Sun, 2015-02-08 01:07
Hello Judyanne
I wished the sharks will come and tear this to chum, but seems they just like me found this so beautiful and touching to be torn. I love the amount of the emotion you've put here and I could feel the overwhelming feelings of losing someone special in each word and line.
I'd say I encountered a problem with one line with half a foot more
"and rational, scientific brains are loath"
I especially loved the couplet, very memorable.
Thanks for sharing dear.
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judyanne
Sun, 2015-02-08 04:57
was it 'rational'
or 'scientific?
rational - can be one or two syllables, and I pronounce it with two
scientific - sahy -uh n TIF -ic - but I have always pronounced the first syllable stressed
much the same as with Alid's picking up 'introspective', I really think I can have these.... ??
thank you for the lovely comment Rula
lol - maybe the sharks simply don't like my sonnets
love judy
xxx
'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
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Rula
Sun, 2015-02-08 05:17
for me
rational is at least three syllables :) :)
and scientific is four
it really depends on how many vowel sounds are there.
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judyanne
Sun, 2015-02-08 07:33
the dictionary says
that ' rational' is one of those words that can be said either way - with two or three syllables - rash -uh -nl ... rash -nl
I checked it before I used it :)
I have always said it with two - and I think most Aussies do...
And yes, no argument here 'scientific' has four
Love judy
xxx
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Rula
Sun, 2015-02-08 10:53
sounds that
Aussies are economical people.
You have proved it more than once :) Lol
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wesley snow
Sun, 2015-02-08 15:58
English is as the English speaking people speak it.
And people who speak English will always look for ways to shorten words. Think of nicknames.
I believe if you put one hundred people in a room and ask them to say "rational" they would use three syllables, but have them use it a sentence and I think the most would use only two.
I use the fewest syllables possible in most of my poetry.
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Rula
Sun, 2015-02-08 16:01
So someone I guess
should invite me to your part of the world for a couple of months, then I would say rational in two syllables only. :) (((Kidding)))
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judyanne
Mon, 2015-02-09 08:33
Rula - come visit me
I'll teach you 'Strine
g'day mate (good day mate)
carn team (come on team)
shelby right (it will be alright)
yu gotta be kiddinme (you must be having me on)
lol
love judy
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'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
(Rudyard Kipling)
scribbler
Tue, 2015-02-10 21:22
Rational
I've heard it said with 2 syllables : RASH nul. HEY! Did I just actually make a contribution to this shop??? lol
judyanne
Fri, 2015-02-13 10:33
sorry Stan
I missed your contribution
Lol - thank you
Love judy
xxx
'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
(Rudyard Kipling)
Rula
Mon, 2015-02-09 07:43
Lol Judy
No surprise after today if you tell me that "rational" is a zero syllabic word HAHAHA
Thank you for the invitation though. I really would love to. One day maybe? Who knows?!
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judyanne
Fri, 2015-02-13 10:35
you mean
It isn't ??
Bummer
lol
Love judy
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'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
(Rudyard Kipling)
mand
Tue, 2015-02-10 00:33
Hi Judyanne
This is a great sonnet - love the subject and the ending. Being no expert at sonnet's I can only say it all looks good to me - I found the comments interesting too. Did'nt realise that some words are considered either 2 / 3 syllables - that's something to keep an eye on for me.
:)
Love Mand xxxx
judyanne
Tue, 2015-02-10 09:24
thanks Mand
for the lovely comment
yes - that's what I love about neopoet - everybody learrns something, as long as we have conversations
love judy
xxx
'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
(Rudyard Kipling)
alidzain
Tue, 2015-02-10 13:27
Hi Judy
a little confuse with the words with "2", "3" syllables in the comments. Is it because of the different slang?
Alid
judyanne
Fri, 2015-02-13 10:36
not really because of slang Alid
but some words can be expressed quickly
'rational' is more often pronounced rashnal when in a sentence, and it has become accepted pronunciation. So much so, that the dictionary will tell you it can be said with two or three syllables
As Wes said - say it on its own, and one tends to use three syllables 'rash -an -al', but if said in a sentence, it tends to be skipped over and made into the two
there are quite a few words that follow this idiosyncracy..
hope this helps explain
love judy
xxx
'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
(Rudyard Kipling)
wesley snow
Tue, 2015-02-10 17:30
It's called "word transition".
(I'm watching a really cool lecture series on writing from antiquity to modernity, so I have lots of new phrases I don't really understand).
Words are constantly evolving, like whales returning to the sea they are in the process of becoming something else. In some words it is active and obvious like "rational". English speakers are still figuring this one out right before our eyes whereas some words are stuck in a rut like "non". No has been pretty much the same in Northern European languages for a time. Some centuries.
Much of this, of course, is determined geographically. We are still, even today, a bunch of little villages with our own way of doing things.
W. H. Snow
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lovedly
Tue, 2015-02-10 23:33
this kind of sonnet i wanted to learn
but syllables
my blooming mind can't churn
so many times the midnight oil did i burn
but sad to say
my mind was burnt
judyanne
Wed, 2015-02-11 15:00
i see you doing well there under Rula's tutelage loved
Persevere, you'll get it
Love judy
xxx
'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
(Rudyard Kipling)
lovedly
Wed, 2015-02-11 17:09
i learn from all
who love to teach
mostly u Judy
all others ah!
eightmenout
Fri, 2015-02-20 11:52
Judy
I like the sonnet. But if I have critique, it is the flow of S3. I feel it has been compromised for meter.
Thanks,
Scott
judyanne
Fri, 2015-02-20 11:59
lol yes Scott
I'm still an amateur...
Thanks for the read and very correct critique
Any suggestions?
Love judy
xxx
'Each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They are.'
(Rudyard Kipling)