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On September 12th, 2001
I met a 19 year old American marine in a pub
in Galway, Ireland.
He said,
genuinely upset,
I don’t know why everyone hates us so much.
We give aid to lots of countries.
I was not kind
I told him the truth

The list of the countries that the U.S. has bombed since the end of World War II,
China: 1945-46,
Korea: 1950-53,
China: 1950-53,
Guatemala: 1954,
Indonesia: 1958,
Cuba: 1959-60,
Guatemala: 1960,
Congo: 1964,
Peru: 1965,
Laos: 1964-73,
Vietnam: 1961-73,
Cambodia: 1969-70,
Guatemala: 1967-69,
Grenada: 1983,
Libya: 1986,
El Salvador: 1980s,
Nicaragua: 1980s,
Panama: 1989,
Iraq: 1991-99,
Sudan: 1998,
Afghanistan: 1998,
Yugoslavia: 1999.
and a lot more since.

I told him the list of countries the U.S. has violently interefered with economically, through terrorist means and subversion is even longer, and includes supposed allies like Australia.  

September 11 2001 was merely a first, minor act of retributive justice.
The US lead coup in Chile on September 11, 1973, against a democratically elected government cost the lives of over 15,000 people and the torture of countless more.

Don’t say “why us?”. Don’t blame international jealously for your wealth or so called freedom.
Just stop participating in terrorism and start making reparation for your crimes against humanity.

All americans are responsible.

He almost cried,
I felt sad for him,
we don’t hate Americans,
We do utterly despise and condemn
American Foreign Policy

I want the raw truth, feel free to knock me on my back
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Average: 3.7 (6 votes)
Submitted by Wanderingwisp on 4 July 2007 - 4:48pm.

Hmmmmm

Pretty heavy stuff. Theres nothing like the truth for giving that ‘cold bucket of water in the face’ feelin.

Submitted by conect11 on 5 July 2007 - 7:35am.

I think

you meant Japan for 1945 - 46, a nation which brutally attacked us while we had not entered the second world war, and also a nation which sponsored the brutal murder and vivisection of hundreds of thousands of non - combatants.

Korea, a multi - nation conflict stemming from Russia’s desire to gain an Asian stronghold via an over zealous North Korean government.

Cuba, a hostile nation which allowed nuclear missles to be placed 90 miles from our shore and threatened us with military action.

Cambodia, a nation which under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge massacred scores of its own people in an effort to “purify” his country.

Libya, a hostile nation which was proven to support terrorist cells and funded the bombing of Pan Am Flight 873 over Lockerbie, Scotland killing all on board.

Yugoslavia, I could have my neighbor, Marinko tell you why, from a former soldier’s perspective he was happy to see us there.

You gave many more examples which, sadly we as American citizens are only given the vaguest information about. Have many of our actions against other countries been based on greed, selfishness, etc? It appears that way, especially now in Iraq and Afghanistan. (both with huge reserves of oil) Just remember there are two sides to every story. There are things you didn’t mention, which most Americans have no idea about, which are just as lurid, ie., the School of the America’s, the spreading of Agent Orange in our own nation without the populace’s knowledge, etc. A good, if simple book for you to read is titled The Mouse that Roared by Leonard Wibberley. I would check it out, if you haven’t already.

Mark

Submitted by weirdelf on 6 July 2007 - 9:36am.
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thank you for your thoughtful response

it is true, many of those instances asked for intervention. And what good came from even those interventions? Mostly an extreme right wing puppet Junta! There is always 2 sides as you say. I presented this piece because I am only too aware of how little information American people receive about what America does overseas. I really felt for that kid in the Irish pub, but when I finished telling him America’s crimes he was in tears. I was glad, it meant he was a human being.
cheers,
Jess

Submitted by conect11 on 6 July 2007 - 9:44am.

you're a brave man Jess

and a thoughtful, excellent poet.

Mark

Submitted by weirdelf on 6 July 2007 - 10:01am.
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thank you mark

It’s true, i was brave, he was a Marine and drunk, he could have kicked me to death, as several other Americans have threatened to do. But you can’t be a street poet without learning when to run. I know when to run and I only fight when i got a chance.
Cheers,
Jess

Submitted by barbsdad2003 on 16 July 2007 - 10:02am.
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To Jess on Thank You For Your ... Response

Americans are inevitably uninformed. For example, we don’t have a democracy. It’s a republic. A far different animal. Also, our educational system collaborates with big business and big government to keep the population in ignorance. The quality (and safety) of our food supply is a travesty to seekers of better health. Our doctors fail us on many levels. Pharmaceutical companies have open season on Americans. American lawyers twist the truth into impossible corkscrews.

And when Bush was elected, it wasn’t on account of my vote. I warned many to vote for anyone but him. Enough of them did not listen.

The farther to the right we swing, the worse it gets. During my lifetime the dangers have never been as much from the left as they are from the right. When I was in high school and college, it was the politically motivated House Unamerican Activities Committee. Now it’s the White House.

If it seems, as I’m sure it does, to people who inhabit other countries that Americans are like ostriches with heads in sands, it’s because the vested interests (and they are unaccountably many—-and are nearly all-powerful) want it kept that way.

I frequently find myself embarrassed to be an American. And I suspect the same would be true of any really perceptive American.

I can certainly forgive the younger adults in this country for not knowing better than they do, but the older folks should have been awake many moons ago.

OK. Enough of my rant. I could go on all day.

Thanx, Jess

Submitted by weirdelf on 16 July 2007 - 10:03am.
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thanks chuck

I am well aware of the truths in your comments and hope that others, like you, will appreciate that my occasional un-american outbursts and tirades are just that, and not anti american people. Some can’t see the difference.
cheers,
Jess

Submitted by Infinite_Dwarf on 1 May 2008 - 9:43am.
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Sorry, Mark..

Gotta jump in on this one… why is it OUR responsibility to police the world? This is exactly why we’ve gotten into the situations we’ve gotten into. Don’t we have enough stuff to take care of right here in the US? Oh, I forgot, there’s no $$$$ to be made off of helping ourselves - silly me. I respect your thoughts, and the Little Mouse That Roared was an excellent book. Will need to re-read it one of these days. :~)

~Lynn (Jess K.)
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~ “Bush is listening…. use big words!”
~ “Your inferiority complex is better than mine…”

Submitted by fm1962 on 7 July 2007 - 12:28am.

Awesome and so true!!!! And

Awesome and so true!!!! And you should have head butted that marine.

Submitted by kinganeye on 15 July 2007 - 3:32pm.

I am from Scotland and live

I am from Scotland and live in the US my pet hate is when you are over here everybody is something rather than being american. However in Europe they are all American I am afraid the logic escapes me?
Americans are not liked in Europe because they come across as arrogant and the My dad has a bigger dick than your dad kind of attitude. Americans really do mot know what goes on outside their shore they are kinda sterilised to the way Europeans live and work.
John

Submitted by Julie on 19 September 2007 - 1:43pm.

I'm proud to be an American!

I read the poem and well lets just say I was offended.
Poetry is really an expression of our inner selves is it not?
And poetry can often send a message.
Well. not to judge harshly but about the poem it was real.I believed it!
But did I like what it said?
There are Americans that were born and raised here!
Not by their choosing! Some fought in wars!(Thank you
for all those)but there are people like me who have excepted their country because it is my homeland!
Do I agree with everything every decision made? No
But I will stand on the integrity of people like
myself who have lived to be free!So did I like the
poem?Prob not because it affects people I share a
country with! I feel for the boy in the hub because
he was probablly just like me!
Julie

Submitted by DarkinAZ on 29 April 2008 - 2:38pm.
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American Pride!

I too believe in our country and our armed forces.

I will stay out of those foriegn countries who despise America, if they move out of the U.S.A.

Ungrateful, leeches.

MADE IN AMERICA,
Mark

P.S. - I still think you are alright though, Jess. Even if we are politically and religously…Polar oppisites.

P.S.S - I would not have cried.

Submitted by weirdelf on 30 April 2008 - 8:27am.
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re: P.S.S - I would not have cried.

ah, but would you have kicked me to death? Or maybe just slapped me around a bit?

Polar opposites have never been a bar to friendship for me, as long as we can agree to disagree, or argue heartily and without malice.

cheers,
Jess

p.s the correct form is

p.p.s post-post-script, post-script-script would just be a long p.s. 8)

p.p.p.s I have also nearly been kicked to death for being a smart-arse

Submitted by DarkinAZ on 30 April 2008 - 9:27am.
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Once again,

I am further educated by my friend the anti american islander, whom I have grown to enjoy.

G’ Day mate!, (correct me if spelled wrong)

Mark

Submitted by weirdelf on 30 April 2008 - 9:45am.
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close'nuff mate

cheers,
Jess

Submitted by DarkinAZ on 30 April 2008 - 4:39pm.
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you had too,

did’t you? That whole part about”without malice” once again you are correct.

I added the much deserved “two star” increase to my initial vote. (Damn it!)

Your friend,
Mark

Submitted by lauren ikon on 30 April 2008 - 7:51pm.
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That is, if you believe

That is, if you believe September 11, 2001 was a legitimate attack by a foreign party. I believe others would call me a conspiracy theorist.

America, the political state, disgusts me. I’m appalled, ‘hence the faith in anarchy. I, however, can’t stand another person to say, “Well, leave!” I’m misunderstood, I don’t hate living in America—some parts are beautiful, and I couldn’t simply run away from its problems.

Anyways, I applaud this work, and your actions in that pub. I’ve discussed some things with a few soldiers in the states, and it’s never pretty.

Submitted by weirdelf on 1 May 2008 - 5:58am.
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thanks Lauren,

While I completely believe the Bush admin was evil enough to orchestrate 911 I don’t believe they were clever enough to cover it up… hey I’m not so sure about that. He is dumb as bricks but he has smart evil people pulling his strings. Certainly rich Republican Americans were the biggest winners, long-term, from the attack.

Either way, there are plenty of people in this world who would be proud to have done 911 (I would have done it at night, and made sure there was time for the workers to get out, but I’m a softy)

As I have said elsewhere on this site, I was on a dusty little road in Ireland when I heard the news, that’s my alibi and I have plenty of proof, and I had to stop the car because I was crying so hard at the loss of life.

BUT

who won? Rich Republican Americans.

Jess

Submitted by fthillsboomer on 30 April 2008 - 8:41pm.
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Well you managed to get some of the facts

correct. It surely is a laundry list of America’s failed foreign policy. Let me just make two points:

1) The USA grew up way too fast during World War II which had and still has a lot to do with our over dependence on gunboat diplomacy. You failed to mention all the countries bombed by others during and since WWII. Geo-politics does not happen in a vacuum. The world would be a much different place today if we had not become involved in the second World War.

2) While you make a good point, it’s not much of a poem. More suited to a post on a political blog. IMO

Rich

P.S. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I doubt the Marine almost cried.
And I feel exactly the same way about our foreign policy.

Submitted by weirdelf on 1 May 2008 - 6:06am.
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It is not even much of a poem

Or perhaps more.
point 1) no points. Other people’s evil doesn’t make another alright. And I didn’t even mention, as I should have, that all European invasions have been at least near genocides. We all can acknowledge white shame.

point 2) its weird this poem has even come into discussion again. It’s not a poem, has few poetic qualities and was mostly an angry rant I felt strongly enough about to post as a poem. Does that make it poetry?
Perhaps in light of a body of work but I don’t expect this one to be seen that way.

cheers,
Jess

Submitted by Amaranthine on 30 April 2008 - 8:51pm.
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America

I don’t think the majority of educated
Americans are shocked to discovered
we are despised by other countries
for our “bullying”. I think what is
shocking is how much “bullying”
is hidden from us and how little
control we as individuals have
in regards to preventing such activity
or stopping it for that matter.

Americans protested the Vietnam war,
we hurt our soldiers even more by
doing so - in the end. Even though
so many Americans felt we did not
need to be there - we were there
and our young men were dying without
our “consent” to putting them
in that situation.

Americans are protesting having our
troops in Iraq, but have they pulled
them out yet?

Our government hides things and twists
things for selfish “greedy” reasons.
I truly believe we as a people are
quite fed up with it and desperately
want to see a change, but change
comes slow and as we face another
election - our choices are very limited.

It saddens me to see the monster
we have become while filled with so
many “good-hearted” people who
honestly want only to promote peace
and help defend those who need protection.

Any individual who questions the heart
of Americans would not have to look very
far to find - Americans are not
so very “evil”, neither are Iraqis,
Chinese, Japanese, Russian - politics
and uniforms often paint an ugly picture
of a country . Germany was not evil
when Hitler was leading the Nazis, but
the crimes committed on the Jews
were horrible and WRONG.

I wish Americans could vote on how
the money is spent from our taxes.
I feel certain more money would be put
towards educating our children and less
money put towards bombing other nations.

I feel we need to take care of our own
and spend less time trying to fix
everyone else. We are in massive debt,
our education system is floundering,
and a recession is headed our way -
actually some have said it is here.

And as far as the drunk marine crying-
I don’t think a drunk crying is a sign
of being human as much as a sign of being
well….drunk “I LOVE YA MAN”.

Respectfully Yours,
Amara

Submitted by weirdelf on 1 May 2008 - 6:25am.
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Ta amara,

love you, your poetry and intelligent thoughtful feedback.

But I have to address this to Julie and Mark

I love Australia.
Not as a nation,
I despise it for that,
the theft, rape and murder of its indigenous people
and flora and fauna.
I love it physically as a land,
it is part of me and I am part of it.
That is closest to a true poem on this page.

Patriotism is dumb shit.
It’s for purposely or socially ignorant people who want to blame other people for the failings of themselves and the social construct they live in.

It’s not a case of
“if you don’t like it move out”
it’s a case of
“if you don’t like it,
change it…

Submitted by DarkinAZ on 1 May 2008 - 10:13am.
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I blame no one,

yet those who blame America baffle me?

Shit, Jess
you sure created a touchy topic with this one eh?
as I am learning you are pretty good at.

Alot of the countries you mentioned are NOT democracies therefore they can not change it. As for America it is…so our destiny is in our hands, we will see what happens, there is no perfect answer, but here we can disagree, with out the fear of prosecution and death.

Your friend,
Mark

Submitted by Infinite_Dwarf on 1 May 2008 - 9:38am.
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Applause!

I agree 100%…. we’ve meddled quite too often. It’s not often someone has the b***s to say it, though. Well done.

~Lynn (Jess K.)
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~ “Bush is listening…. use big words!”
~ “Your inferiority complex is better than mine…”

Submitted by themoonman on 1 May 2008 - 4:17pm.
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Hi Jess..

its good you only went back to ww2 because our history is filled
with death.. and like most .. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere
else. You caused quite the responses with this piece. When I
read it I too questioned if it could be a poem or more..
It is a shame the way our Earth is run..fighting over resources.
Land and water.. and its not over yet. but I sense an
awakening in the spirit of our young of today..maybe they can
do better. An interestingly enlightening poem..and the comments.
Richard

Submitted by RSScheerer on 8 June 2008 - 3:23pm.
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Silent contemplation

… is the best I can offer here. So much said already.

Best,
Ronda